[buffstocover]

I didn't realize the brakes helped w electrical generation. That's a good idea.

[junx]

lol brand new m car introduced and ppl are complaining about mirrors still

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by swoo

lol brand new m car introduced and ppl are complaining about mirrors still

it's really pretty ridiculous how people focus on the wrong shit....I have to say that it's mainly insecure M3 owners who talk crap....

The M2 is a much more exciting car than the M4 and that pisses off a lot of the fanboys so they focus on mirrors and other nonsense

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by WAY

I don't have an issue with the "non-M" mirrors. I've owned so many M cars and mirrors are the last thing you noticed. However, I do find BMW's excuse a bit weak. Sure it's not plug and play, but all they need to do is redesign the base and still use the rest of the mirror. Not that hard, and not that costly either!

I vote for you to be the one to Go ahead and develop the mirrors and show them just how cheap they can do it

# it's always easy to spend someone else's money

[RazBimmer]

Amazing car, really. I think it will be the real deal 'driver's car'. The size of the car, weight, chasis and power are a brutal combination. Another marvel from M..

[auf Deutsch]

Originally Posted by RazBimmer

Amazing car, really. I think it will be the real deal 'driver's car'. The size of the car, weight, chasis and power are a brutal combination. Another marvel from M..

The weight is brutal. I'll agree with that.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsch

The weight is brutal. I'll agree with that.

Agreed !

It appears that the US weight has been correct all along.

The M2 EU weight is now shown as 1570-1595 kg as opposed to the The 1M EU weight of 1495 Kg.

As some of us were afraid of/ aware of that means this car is 75 Kg-100kg (165 -220 lbs ) heavier than its predecessor, from a company touting an efficient dynamics mantra.

It's still going to be a helluva car; but it's a shame that this car didn't manage to weigh less, particularly when the brochure for it shows it on track with the 1252 Kg E30 M3 and the 1495Kg 1M.


What it will be, is more of an impact on more buyers than the 1M , due to higher production figures and more creature comforts like power seats and DCT.


It also cries for the CSL/GTS treatment.

[WAY]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I vote for you to be the one to Go ahead and develop the mirrors and show them just how cheap they can do it

# it's always easy to spend someone else's money

No need to be rude.

If I actually cared about this I would. But I don't give a damn about the mirrors at all. I wouldn't even have noticed if it's not for the forum talking about it on every few posts. Also, I do not recall having M specific mirror on my X5M. And did M mirrors make my various M3s, M4 and M5 better cars? No. It's a pointless styling exercise.

[Diver]

I just read through the brochure again. It seems you have your choice of 4 exterior colors and MT6 or DCT. That's it. Old school...

[Artemis]

44-page brochure found in my post box upon my return from abroad.

[sth519]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

We all have the one thing we don't like. For me the thing that I found poor was this: why are they installing that old red monochrome info display on a brand new car. I understand this is a cheaper model, but look what Audi has in the less expensive S3

The display in the instrument cluster is full-color, not monchrome.
Also, the climate control on the F2x models used to be orange-only, but is now two-color (white at daylight, orange at night; like the instrument cluster).

It's a step in the right direction, at least. I could still do without the orange at night.

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

The M2 EU weight is now shown as 1570-1595 kg as opposed to the The 1M EU weight of 1495 Kg.

The 1M EU weight is 1570kg, not 1495kg: http://www.bmw.com/com/de/newvehicle...echnical_data/
M2: https://www.bmw.de/de/neufahrzeuge/M...che-daten.html (1570kg as well with the manual transmisson; 1595kg with DCT)

If you substract the 75kg "driver+luggage" that's included in the EU weight, you end up at 1495kg (for both cars).

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by sth519

The display in the instrument cluster is full-color, not monchrome.
Also, the climate control on the F2x models used to be orange-only, but is now two-color (white at daylight, orange at night; like the instrument cluster).

It's a step in the right direction, at least. I could still do without the orange at night.

The 1M EU weight is 1570kg, not 1495kg: http://www.bmw.com/com/de/newvehicle...echnical_data/
M2: https://www.bmw.de/de/neufahrzeuge/M...che-daten.html (1570kg as well with the manual transmisson; 1595kg with DCT)

If you substract the 75kg "driver+luggage" that's included in the EU weight, you end up at 1495kg (for both cars).

Can you share a shot of the full color display? In the brochure it seems plain orange.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by sth519

The display in the instrument cluster is full-color, not monchrome.
Also, the climate control on the F2x models used to be orange-only, but is now two-color (white at daylight, orange at night; like the instrument cluster).

It's a step in the right direction, at least. I could still do without the orange at night.

The 1M EU weight is 1570kg, not 1495kg: http://www.bmw.com/com/de/newvehicle...echnical_data/
M2: https://www.bmw.de/de/neufahrzeuge/M...che-daten.html (1570kg as well with the manual transmisson; 1595kg with DCT)

If you substract the 75kg "driver+luggage" that's included in the EU weight, you end up at 1495kg (for both cars).

You guys and your fuzzy EU math. No way the two cars way the same

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

Can you share a shot of the full color display? In the brochure it seems plain orange.

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

Can you share a shot of the full color display? In the brochure it seems plain orange.

[sth519]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

You guys and your fuzzy EU math. No way the two cars way the same

We'll see... So far, this is the official information we have from BMW.

FWIW: The base cars (135i and M235i) weigh exactly the same as well, at 1530kg EU.
http://www.bmw.com/com/de/newvehicle...ata/index.html
https://www.bmw.de/de/neufahrzeuge/2...en.html?uncert
(earlier model years of the 135i were a bit heavier at 1560kg EU - source)

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by sth519

We'll see... So far, this is the official information we have from BMW.

FWIW: The base cars (135i and M235i) weigh exactly the same as well, at 1530kg EU.
http://www.bmw.com/com/de/newvehicle...ata/index.html
https://www.bmw.de/de/neufahrzeuge/2...en.html?uncert
(earlier model years of the 135i were a bit heavier at 1560kg EU - source)

Check the US curb weights and you'll begin to understand why I doubt the " EU math "

[sssqueeze]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

For the love of God and everything sacred, there is no such thing as an M mirror!

After watching the interview with head of M Division, M mirrors are part of the overall M experience. And he referred to them as M Mirrors. Look for YouTube TFL all you needed to know about the M3/4.

[sth519]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Check the US curb weights and you'll begin to understand why I doubt the " EU math "

I know, we had that discussion before.
We'll see when someone puts these cars on a scale.

Including the 75kg driver/luggage in the cars weight is stupid, but at least EU weight is normed, so weights can be compared.
US curb weight can also be a "manufacturer estimate" AFAIK.

Also keep in mind that US cars usually have much more standard equipment - just look at the M235i for example: Sunroof? Electric seats? Automatic transmission? Those are all heavy options which are standard in the US but not in Germany for example.

[doccyber]

Bring the M mirrors back to the M2... OK I said it.