[///AVM]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

I'm in for updates. As usual I'm already thinking about my next addition. On the list is an m3 touring. Your information will continue to be appreciated. My current thoughts are m3 touring, 997 GT3, c8 z06, 458. The m3 is the oddball, but I do love a good wagon and the touring photos look great.

You got it Dave! . . . all just enthusiasts sharing our enthusiasm.

///AVM

[///AVM]

I had an unfavorable response to the G80/82 front grille ‘situation’ ever since the first spy shot was released . . . conversely, I have always felt BMW absolutely nailed the F87 M2C front profile!

With the above stated, after the G80/82 was officially released, MY M2C started to feel a bit ‘dated.’

To be clear, I am in NO WAY dissing my beast!! Just expressing some weird shit that went on in my head . . . and started drawing me to the M3C.

In what has become a true mental fuck, I am actually starting to like the G80/82 front profile, particularly how the hood lines integrate with the grille.

With regard to aesthetics, the only other problem I have observed to date with the M3C is a familiar problem that plagued my M2C . . . the fender-to-tire gaps are enormous. As with the M2C, easily addressed out of the gate with MP coilovers/HAS.

So, I have it down to two colors . . . not sure if I will go with Brooklyn Grey or Frozen Portimao Blue? I think I will just leave it at that for now and let everyone know what I go with upon delivery and reveal.

Incase not obvious with my M2C and 718 CGTS, I am fond of black accents and will be staying true to my ‘dark side’ with the M3C.

///AVM

[JCZ5]

I think it is quite funny so many of us regulars on the M2C forum who relatively recently received our M2Cs are already looking for the next car! BigKutta didn't know you were planning a G80!

I too have gotten the itch for an addition as well...this is a dangerous and expensive hobby, my friends

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

I think it is quite funny so many of us regulars on the M2C forum who relatively recently received our M2Cs are already looking for the next car! BigKutta didn't know you were planning a G80!

I too have gotten the itch for an addition as well...this is a dangerous and expensive hobby, my friends

Thrill of the hunt brother JC . . .

///AVM

[medphysdave]

I'll say it again. I'm not a huge fan of the big grill, but BMW made the right move. They needed to make a drastic change to enable more room to work with in the future of electric. The "i" vehicles need to look a bit futuristic. It's uncharted territory and that pathway has to be paved at some point. Current "new" designs are merely a bridge to get past this exact reaction. Electric vehicles are not limited by the ice aerodynamic constraints. Look at the Tesla cybertruck.

I think they made the right move. It's grown on me. I think the m3 touring looks better with the larger grill. As does the suv line. It also enables them to go smaller if they want, or continue with large grill designs. Or move to even more controversial designs. By nature of this current design may not appear as controversial when released. All about setting expectations.

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Brother Kutta

I have tried to introduce myself to the M3/4 crowd but, frankly, just not the same as the M2 crowd to which I belong and have become accustomed.

This represents the primary reason I wanted to share the G80 experience with my brothers on this subform. Namely, I am coming into the G80 from the perspective of a passionate M2C owner.

I love your G80 build! Brooklyn Grey has some Hockenheim Silver to it - making us BOTH immediately biased - plus a blue hue that makes your seat choice (Yas Marina Blue/Black) pretty kick-ass.

Regarding 'nannies,' nobody really knows how the G80/82 performs, but I am confident BMW engineers made it special. . . seems whatever nannies exist will be readily dis-engaged if desired.

///AVM

Yep that color reminded me of HS, just more pronounced and bolder. The nannies I was referring to were the drivers assistance package and Parking assistance. Yeah, people expect those in a 80k car, but these are things I never use, so I'd likely skip even though they are about $2000 or something.

How did you spec your G80?

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by BigKutta

Yep that color reminded me of HS, just more pronounced and bolder. The nannies I was referring to were the drivers assistance package and Parking assistance. Yeah, people expect those in a 80k car, but these are things I never use, so I'd likely skip even though they are about $2000 or something.

How did you spec your G80?

If you plan to do any advanced coding, then you really want the tech that's included with DAP and PA. Even if you don't plan to code, there are features that bmw can add at a later date. There's a chance that all the new cars will include the appropriate hardware and it's software limited, but it's a worthwhile check.

[W///]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

I had an unfavorable response to the G80/82 front grille ‘situation’ ever since the first spy shot was released . . . conversely, I have always felt BMW absolutely nailed the F87 M2C front profile!

With the above stated, after the G80/82 was officially released, MY M2C started to feel a bit ‘dated.’

To be clear, I am in NO WAY dissing my beast!! Just expressing some weird shit that went on in my head . . . and started drawing me to the M3C.

In what has become a true mental fuck, I am actually starting to like the G80/82 front profile, particularly how the hood lines integrate with the grille.

With regard to aesthetics, the only other problem I have observed to date with the M3C is a familiar problem that plagued my M2C . . . the fender-to-tire gaps are enormous. As with the M2C, easily addressed out of the gate with MP coilovers/HAS.

So, I have it down to two colors . . . not sure if I will go with Brooklyn Grey or Frozen Portimao Blue? I think I will just leave it at that for now and let everyone know what I go with upon delivery and reveal.

Incase not obvious with my M2C and 718 CGTS, I am fond of black accents and will be staying true to my ‘dark side’ with the M3C.

///AVM

Looking forward to your reviews comparing the two cars as that's the kind of things that will help me decide whether I go with the F or G series of the M2. Should be an interesting next 6 months!

[scoale]

Originally Posted by W///

Looking forward to your reviews comparing the two cars as that's the kind of things that will help me decide whether I go with the F or G series of the M2. Should be an interesting next 6 months!

I decided to buy one now and I'm glad I did. If I buy a G87 it will be LCI/Comp and probably 4+ years away. If the G87 has CF roof, adaptive suspension, 6 speed, the S58 engine, better steering, is <3,650 lbs and <180", I will probably gladly trade-up for what will probably be my last ICE 6-speed. What I didn't want to do is wait two years for a first year G87 that I would then later want to replace with an LCI/comp

[Poochie]

Damn, from what I'm gathering, all of you guys are jumping ship to the G8X..

So much for model loyalty...🤨






J/k I'm just jelly.. 😜

[CSBM5]

I would think the M2 versus the G80 would be cars one would consider for two totally different market segments -- BMWNA marketing certainly does anyway. The size difference is huge going from a coupe (M2C) that is smaller than an E46 M3 to a sedan (G80 M3) that is larger than the E39 M5 (not to mention the E23 7-series).

The G80 has a 112.5" wheelbase, a 40 foot turning circle and weighs 3840lbs (6MT) to 3890lbs (automatic). It's larger than an E39 M5 by a good bit and weighs nearly the same. Having owned an E39 M5 for 15 years, that car's size, heft, width, length is so dramatically different than the M2C, it's really hard to think of a comparison -- two totally different markets imo. And yet the G80 is even larger than my M5.

I guess in the Porsche world it's closest comparison would be considering a Panamera versus a Cayman - not quite the same level of change but close.

[Karmic Man]

People already finding the F80/82 feels like a boat and somehow have this expectations that the G80/82 will be more of a driver's car?

The reality will be more like going from the F80 M3 to a F90 M5...bigger, heavier, more power, faster on the straight, more high speed composure but feels even more like a boat on a tight track or on the road.

The M2C is still 'THE' driver's car in the BMW lineup until the arrival of the G87 or if M has a change of heart on the Z4M

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

I think it is quite funny so many of us regulars on the M2C forum who relatively recently received our M2Cs are already looking for the next car! BigKutta didn't know you were planning a G80!

I too have gotten the itch for an addition as well...this is a dangerous and expensive hobby, my friends

Originally Posted by Poochie

Damn, from what I'm gathering, all of you guys are jumping ship to the G8X..

So much for model loyalty...🤨






J/k I'm just jelly.. 😜

No, I'm not going anywhere. That was my "if I were to buy one" build. I will own my M2 for a long time and have no desire for a bigger car. I'm going to look at the G87 next or even a 718. But all that is years away. But that never stopped me from wasting time configuring cars LOL.

[JCZ5]

I see my next car chapter to be keeping the F87 M2C and adding something else. Probably non-BMW at this point. A lot of people gravitate towards the next model thinking it will be the "last" of something. Well, I already think the current gen M2C is the "last". Why? As someone previously stated, the G M2C will be heavier, have more tech, blah blah. It's inevitable. Sure, it will be a better performer and may finally get those amazing CF seats. But this gen is a lot more basic/analog. Also, I am not a fan of the digital dash in imo does it age as infotainment is the first to become obsolete in any car.

I am starting to buy cars that will in my mind become future classics, still analog by today's standards and include some modern safety techniques. I think I will be very happy with a M2C and a 718 (6 cylinder derivative). That is until one day I can obtain a GT3 touring 😝

[bri1042]

I've thought seriously about the G80, and convinced myself to move forward a couple of times (Red, RWD, 6MT, Carbon Buckets in Orange). The size holds me back. I've decided not to proceed each time after going for a drive in my M2C. I'm having a very hard time with the size of the G80. Time will tell.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

I'll say it again. I'm not a huge fan of the big grill, but BMW made the right move. They needed to make a drastic change to enable more room to work with in the future of electric. The "i" vehicles need to look a bit futuristic. It's uncharted territory and that pathway has to be paved at some point. Current "new" designs are merely a bridge to get past this exact reaction. Electric vehicles are not limited by the ice aerodynamic constraints. Look at the Tesla cybertruck.

I think they made the right move. It's grown on me. I think the m3 touring looks better with the larger grill. As does the suv line. It also enables them to go smaller if they want, or continue with large grill designs. Or move to even more controversial designs. By nature of this current design may not appear as controversial when released. All about setting expectations.

Dave

I agree with you . . . most humans do not embrace significant change, particularly when relatively abrupt in presentation.

No doubt, the new BMW grilles are quite a change that many, including myself, have had a difficult time digesting.

Despite the controversy, I cannot ignore the fact that the new G80/82 design makes my F87 grille design suddenly seem a bit tired and outdated.

///AVM

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by BigKutta

Yep that color reminded me of HS, just more pronounced and bolder. The nannies I was referring to were the drivers assistance package and Parking assistance. Yeah, people expect those in a 80k car, but these are things I never use, so I'd likely skip even though they are about $2000 or something.

How did you spec your G80?

Brother Kutta

I hear you . . . I do not even remember the last time I turned my stereo on in the beast. Nothing ruins my driving experience like a stereo drowning out the engine and exhaust acoustics.

That stated, below is how I have my G80 M3C spec'd. . . I think I picked a few of the nanny options.

///AVM

P.S. I am not decided upon Brooklyn Grey, but included it below for spec purposes.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by W///

Looking forward to your reviews comparing the two cars as that's the kind of things that will help me decide whether I go with the F or G series of the M2. Should be an interesting next 6 months!

W

The F87 is phenomenal . . . and I have little doubt the G87 will be as well.

Either way, you will be very happy, I am certain.

///AVM

[W///]

Originally Posted by scoale

I decided to buy one now and I'm glad I did. If I buy a G series it will be LCI/Comp and probably 4+ years away. If the G has CF roof, adaptive suspension, 6 speed, the S58 engine, better steering, is <3,650 lbs and <180", I will probably gladly trade-up for what will probably be my last ICE 6-speed. What I didn't want to do is wait two years for a first year G that I would then later want to replace with an LCI/comp

The only reason I'm interested in the G80/2 comparison is to see how the S58 pairs with 6MT as that will have a tremendous impact on whether I even consider the G87 or not. I'm even interested in seeing how that engine does in something smaller and lighter than an X3/4M with the same 8AT

I feel like in 6 months, the reviews should be out, and within 1 year, I should be able to test drive one for myself. If it doesn't meet my expectations, there's really no point in even consider the G87.

When I buy a car, I usually tend to keep them for good (going on 8 years with my e92 M3) so I'm not really in a position to buy a new F87C to trade up to a G87 LCI. If I show some patience and some restraint, which I'll be the first to admit I'm not good at, a used F87CS might even be in the cards as my last ICE 6MT car depending on how prices are in a few years.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Damn, from what I'm gathering, all of you guys are jumping ship to the G8X..

So much for model loyalty...🤨

J/k I'm just jelly.. 😜

Poochie

As I have said numerous times, the F87 M2C is the best/favorite car I have ever owned.

Any reasonable person making such a statement would be expected to drive the vehicle until the wheels fall off.

Rather than saying I enjoy my M2C and want to keep it for a long time, my inner demons tell me I enjoy my M2C so much that I want to experience the latest iteration of a BMW icon . . . G80 M3C.

I guess if I am currently loyal to anything, it is to the BMW lineup.

No need whatsoever to be jealous brother . . . you are always welcomed to drive any vehicle I own if in the neighborhood.

///AVM

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

I would think the M2 versus the G80 would be cars one would consider for two totally different market segments -- BMWNA marketing certainly does anyway. The size difference is huge going from a coupe (M2C) that is smaller than an E46 M3 to a sedan (G80 M3) that is larger than the E39 M5 (not to mention the E23 7-series).

The G80 has a 112.5" wheelbase, a 40 foot turning circle and weighs 3840lbs (6MT) to 3890lbs (automatic). It's larger than an E39 M5 by a good bit and weighs nearly the same. Having owned an E39 M5 for 15 years, that car's size, heft, width, length is so dramatically different than the M2C, it's really hard to think of a comparison -- two totally different markets imo. And yet the G80 is even larger than my M5.

I guess in the Porsche world it's closest comparison would be considering a Panamera versus a Cayman - not quite the same level of change but close.

Thank you CS

Cannot argue with anything you have stated.

However, for whatever reason, that kind of logical assessment is not what drives my passion.

For example, based on much of what you stated, there would be little reason for anyone to choose an M2C over a 718 CGTS.

There are just so many elements that go into and culminate in the individual driver's experience and satisfaction.

I have no doubt BMW engineers built an amazing driving machine with the G80/82 . . . looking forward to the driving experience.

///AVM

P.S. Fuck, the IOMG looks awesome too. . .

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

People already finding the F80/82 feels like a boat and somehow have this expectations that the G80/82 will be more of a driver's car?

The reality will be more like going from the F80 M3 to a F90 M5...bigger, heavier, more power, faster on the straight, more high speed composure but feels even more like a boat on a tight track or on the road.

The M2C is still 'THE' driver's car in the BMW lineup until the arrival of the G87 or if M has a change of heart on the Z4M

Karmic

F87 M2C is the best/favorite car I have ever owned . . . I think BMW engineers will make the G80 M3C special in its own right.

Will I personally enjoy the M3C more than the M2C ????

///AVM