[Dav3]

Originally Posted by gtr

Pricing is out. I wonder if it's better than my M2 street driven? One way to find out.

MSRP $64,900
$975 destination
$575 color

$3500 tech pkg
$6000 dynamic plus package

$1750 black optic
$900 design selection interior
$1000 20" rims
$400 red brakes
$600 carbon inlays
$1000 RS Sport exhaust with black finishers

In Italy it is expected to be sold at:

73.700 euro for the Coupé (No Optionals)
74.600 euro for the Roadster (No Optionals)

The M2 costs 62,400 euro base...

Audi Optionals seem also more expensive.

Price wise I see no comparison.

[M2GranCoupeOLEDlights]

Originally Posted by gtr

Pricing is out. I wonder if it's better than my M2 street driven? One way to find out.

MSRP $64,900
$975 destination
$575 color

$3500 tech pkg
$6000 dynamic plus package

$1750 black optic
$900 design selection interior
$1000 20" rims
$400 red brakes
$600 carbon inlays
$1000 RS Sport exhaust with black finishers

Dynamic package is a no-no. Everything else is pretty affordable. Base price is a tad high though.

[M2GranCoupeOLEDlights]

Originally Posted by lop00

In Italy it is expected to be sold at:

73.700 euro for the Coupé (No Optionals)
74.600 euro for the Roadster (No Optionals)

The M2 costs 62,400 euro base...

Audi Optionals seem also more expensive.

Price wise I see no comparison.

Audi optionals are a lot cheaper and are actually options.

You cannot configure an M2, just 1 trim. Of course it will be cheaper. The M2 seats are not special, the whole interior plus engine that's almost a second faster from 0-60mph (from very fast to supercar fast), etc...that's why it costs 10k more.

Check how much the MPE (performance exhaust) costs. Plus you need to pay labor for it too!

But it is actually pretty easy to decide between these 2 cars.

Do you care alot for a high quality/special interior? Don't care for maximum traction and acceleration? If not, just get the M2, it is fast enough. And cheaper.

However, if you do own an M2, DO NOT get inside a TT RS, you will be heavily tempted xD

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by M2GranCoupeOLEDlights

Dynamic package is a no-no. Everything else is pretty affordable. Base price is a tad high though.

I believe the Dynamic package includes the OLED taillights, a non standalone option. That's got to be at the top of your priority list.

[Dav3]

Originally Posted by M2GranCoupeOLEDlights

Audi optionals are a lot cheaper and are actually options.

You cannot configure an M2, just 1 trim. Of course it will be cheaper. The M2 seats are not special, the whole interior plus engine that's almost a second faster from 0-60mph (from very fast to supercar fast), etc...that's why it costs 10k more.

Check how much the MPE (performance exhaust) costs. Plus you need to pay labor for it too!

But it is actually pretty easy to decide between these 2 cars.

Do you care alot for a high quality/special interior? Don't care for maximum traction and acceleration? If not, just get the M2, it is fast enough. And cheaper.

However, if you do own an M2, DO NOT get inside a TT RS, you will be heavily tempted xD

MPE can be installed from factory, so no additional labour cost involved.

For 10k I can buy used M4 seats, upholster the dash in Alcantara, get a Stage 4 Turbo upgrade + Remap, Full M-Performance Interior accessory package and possibly a decent set of coil-overs...

You keep mentioning that the Audi TT-RS has supercar numbers. Yes, this is true. But I'd rather buy a certified used supercar (R8, Porsche etc.) than the TT-RS. Truth is, no one buys the M2 thinking that they are buying a supercar. The TT-RS owners instead do. Whilst the TT-RS might outperform the M2 or any other car in its price range, it will always look silly when put next to the real supercars. Also, putting brand loyalty and bias aside, do you really think TT-RS owners won't get bored of the car quickly? For a little more in the used section of cars you can get the real supercar experience.

[gtr]

The problem with cars like the R8 is that it gets too much unwanted attention. Coming from previously owned both cars I know the ttrs gets as much attention as my M2 which is good.

With a supercar interior and speed it sound like a nice toy before M2cs arrival.

[BruceM]

Originally Posted by M2GranCoupeOLEDlights

Audi optionals are a lot cheaper and are actually options.

You cannot configure an M2, just 1 trim. Of course it will be cheaper. The M2 seats are not special, the whole interior plus engine that's almost a second faster from 0-60mph (from very fast to supercar fast), etc...that's why it costs 10k more.

Check how much the MPE (performance exhaust) costs. Plus you need to pay labor for it too!

But it is actually pretty easy to decide between these 2 cars.

Do you care alot for a high quality/special interior? Don't care for maximum traction and acceleration? If not, just get the M2, it is fast enough. And cheaper.

However, if you do own an M2, DO NOT get inside a TT RS, you will be heavily tempted xD

You continue to ignore the reality that many of us will never be tempted by a TTRS, no matter how many times you assert we will. At the very least, the driving dynamics of the two cars are quite different, and the TTRS will never provide the M2's dynamics, because it cannot. I didn't get a car like the M2 to sit in it and admire its interior. Or to win stoplight drag races, or spout 0-60 times at every opportunity, or even to "enjoy" the "benefits" of AWD.

Like others here, I can sit in a TTRS all day, and not be tempted to do anything other than get back into my M2

[M2GranCoupeOLEDlights]

Originally Posted by lop00

MPE can be installed from factory, so no additional labour cost involved.

For 10k I can buy used M4 seats, upholster the dash in Alcantara, get a Stage 4 Turbo upgrade + Remap, Full M-Performance Interior accessory package and possibly a decent set of coil-overs...

You keep mentioning that the Audi TT-RS has supercar numbers. Yes, this is true. But I'd rather buy a certified used supercar (R8, Porsche etc.) than the TT-RS. Truth is, no one buys the M2 thinking that they are buying a supercar. The TT-RS owners instead do. Whilst the TT-RS might outperform the M2 or any other car in its price range, it will always look silly when put next to the real supercars. Also, putting brand loyalty and bias aside, do you really think TT-RS owners won't get bored of the car quickly? For a little more in the used section of cars you can get the real supercar experience.

Don't supercars cost a lot to maintain though? And they are even faster than the TT RS which means they aren't very good as daily drivers, or fun even since you can't push it. Also, you cannot get all of those things for 10k, if you could, BMW would sell the M2 cheaper or sprinkle some of those things in. Labor costs

Also, MP exhaust still costs more than 1k.

M2 is a great daily driver although a bit stiff, not that I noticed it much.

As for the OLED and the dynamic package, I would not pay thousands for a more uncomfortable suspension and breaks I won't truly take advantage off.

I would get OLED apart and if I can't, no biggie, the rear LED lights look good enough, way better than the m2 tailights.

[M2GranCoupeOLEDlights]

Originally Posted by BruceM

You continue to ignore the reality that many of us will never be tempted by a TTRS, no matter how many times you assert we will. At the very least, the driving dynamics of the two cars are quite different, and the TTRS will never provide the M2's dynamics, because it cannot. I didn't get a car like the M2 to sit in it and admire its interior. Or to win stoplight drag races, or spout 0-60 times at every opportunity, or even to "enjoy" the "benefits" of AWD.

Like others here, I can sit in a TTRS all day, and not be tempted to do anything other than get back into my M2

Good for you man! Sounds like the m2 is your best bet for someone with your standards and preferences

[M2GranCoupeOLEDlights]

Originally Posted by gtr

The problem with cars like the R8 is that it gets too much unwanted attention. Coming from previously owned both cars I know the ttrs gets as much attention as my M2 which is good.

With a supercar interior and speed it sound like a nice toy before M2cs arrival.

A TT RS warrants more attention than an m2, because of its sound.

I think.

[Dav3]

Originally Posted by M2GranCoupeOLEDlights

Don't supercars cost a lot to maintain though? And they are even faster than the TT RS which means they aren't very good as daily drivers, or fun even since you can't push it. Also, you cannot get all of those things for 10k, if you could, BMW would sell the M2 cheaper or sprinkle some of those things in. Labor costs

Also, MP exhaust still costs more than 1k.

M2 is a great daily driver although a bit stiff, not that I noticed it much.

As for the OLED and the dynamic package, I would not pay thousands for a more uncomfortable suspension and breaks I won't truly take advantage off.

I would get OLED apart and if I can't, no biggie, the rear LED lights look good enough, way better than the m2 tailights.

Difference between base M2 and TT-RS is 11,300e

M4 Seats 2500e
Alcantara Dash Wrap 1000e
Knob,Wheel,Pedals etc 1500e
Coil-overs 2000e
Turbo Upgrade 2000e
Remap 1000e
Intercooler, CP, Catless DP etc. 1500e

Considered you can find half on discount or used, I'm even high balling some of those numbers

[M2GranCoupeOLEDlights]

Originally Posted by lop00

Difference between base M2 and TT-RS is 11,300e

M4 Seats 2500e
Alcantara Dash Wrap 1000e
Knob,Wheel,Pedals etc 1500e
Coil-overs 2000e
Turbo Upgrade 2000e
Remap 1000e
Intercooler, CP, Catless DP etc. 1500e

Considered you can find half on discount or used, I'm even high balling some of those numbers

Knew it was more than 10k haha

Go for it! Sounds nice.

Question, does M2 have adaptive cruise control like my 435i? (Auto brake and accel during traffic)

[mikeokimster]

Was interested in the ttrs but the options I want make it more than I want to spend on a car that will virtually see no track time.

Ttrs
65,875
575 nardo
3500 tech(need b&o)
1750 black optic (hate the silver trim)
900 design interior (need this to differentiate from tt/tts)
1000 rs sport exhaust

73600 total
$81,254 (10.4% tax) $0 incentives

-vs-

M2
Alpine white(not a fan of other colors), dct, exec pkg
57,795 pre total
-2,500 fleet
55,295 total
$61,046 (10.4% tax) $0 incentives

I know my case is different than other but the way I like these cars I cannot for the life of me justify 20k delta ESP when 10k more is 911 territory.

[Verdi]

Oled guy is just a kid. Ignore him.

[Peteman321]

@Oled You must be dreaming if you think most people consider the Audi to be better looking than the M2. The front of the Audi looks okay (minus the front splitter), but the side and rear leave a lot to be desired. I mean the wheel fenders look stuck on... lol. Of course looks are subjective but I would wager more people like the look of the BMW.

You bring up how good the interior is and the options like adaptive cruise control etc. but why buy a sports car for those reasons? You spend most of your time looking out the front window so who cares what the interior look like? And if you are using adaptive cruise control in a car like that you may as well have bought a Hyundai.

Launch control is fun the first couple times but gets old pretty quick. Too many people seem focused on 0-60 times, I would much rather have a car that is fun to take through a twisty road. But go ahead and spend the extra money on an interior you won't even look at while driving, and the second or two faster lap around a track you will probably never go to, in a car that looks to me like a VW beetle.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M2GranCoupeOLEDlights

Dynamic package is a no-no. Everything else is pretty affordable. Base price is a tad high though.

The TT-RS starting price of 65K is 13 grand more than a standard M2 - again, I think you fail to see the main attraction of the little M car - it is not supposed to have all the frills that you get in the bigger cars. That's on purpose, and originated with the 1M.

If you want to look at it from another perspective, at 65k+, you're already in M3 and M4 land - I just traded in my 981 for an F80 ZCP, and I can tell you that the little Audi would not have been on my radar. It simply costs too much for what you're getting.

If I wanted an impractical, fast, two-seater, I would have a Porsche Cayman, which I did. I would be very surprised if the TT-RS could "hang" with a Cayman (981 or 718) on the driving dynamics side - but an M2 really can hold its own, and is 20+K cheaper. That's the magic of the thing.

I also have no doubt my similarly specced and priced M3 would have better driving dynamics as well - with all the creature comforts that you consistently reference as advantage points for the TT-RS.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Peteman321

@Oled You must be dreaming if you think most people consider the Audi to be better looking than the M2. The front of the Audi looks okay (minus the front splitter), but the side and rear leave a lot to be desired. I mean the wheel fenders look stuck on... lol. Of course looks are subjective but I would wager more people like the look of the BMW.

You bring up how good the interior is and the options like adaptive cruise control etc. but why buy a sports car for those reasons? You spend most of your time looking out the front window so who cares what the interior look like? And if you are using adaptive cruise control in a car like that you may as well have bought a Hyundai.

Launch control is fun the first couple times but gets old pretty quick. Too many people seem focused on 0-60 times, I would much rather have a car that is fun to take through a twisty road. But go ahead and spend the extra money on an interior you won't even look at while driving, and the second or two faster lap around a track you will probably never go to, in a car that looks to me like a VW beetle.

While I generally agree with you on these points, I do believe a slight criticism of the M2's interior is warranted - it is a little plain Jane in there, and isn't substantially different than any other 2er. My guess is that there will be some attention paid in this department with the CS, and it will be interesting to see the final product.

The interior of the TT-RS is indeed one of the best things about the car - I also think it looks good - the M2 looks good as well, but in a different way if that makes sense. The sound of that 5 cylinder is also very special as well...

I just think if Audi was going to make a baby R8, they should have made the TT-RS look more the part - while I do find it to be a good looking car, it doesn't resemble the R8 in any meaningful way. It is and is supposed to be a souped-up TT.

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by Spinnetti

wow, you've been successfully baited.... you aren't making BMW owners look very good, just helping fulfill the stereotype. Implied gay bashing is just icing. I don't like the TT particularly, but most BMWs in Frisco at least are bloated SUVs and even the sedans are mostly driven by old real estate saleswomen. That better than the hairdressers? What's wrong with Hairdressers anyway? Instead of getting trolled, find me an allocation so I can get an M2! I'm off to Munich in June, and had thought I'd be able to get ED on one by now.

Nothing wrong with hairdressers or gays, not bashing anyone but cars that look like Audi TT's appeal to a certain demographic just pointing that out.

Get off your lazy ass, pick up the phone and go find your own allocation. If you actually looked around instead of crying about how hard it is to find a car while just waiting for Classic BMW to call you in 2020 you might have a car by now.

I've passed along 3 allocations and had my car for 6 months already and I barely tried to look outside the DFW area.

[auf Deutsch]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I just think if Audi was going to make a baby R8, they should have made the TT-RS look more the part - while I do find it to be a good looking car, it doesn't resemble the R8 in any meaningful way. It is and is supposed to be a souped-up TT.

Looks aside, if Audi wanted to make it a baby R8, they would've made it mid-engine...the best possible place for one as you know....Just the opposite, they put a transverse engine completely fore of the front axle...the worst possible place for one. The car is just inherently built wrong.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsch

Looks aside, if Audi wanted to make it a baby R8, they would've made it mid-engine...the best possible place for one as you know....Just the opposite, they put a transverse engine completely fore of the front axle...the worst possible place for one. The car is just inherently built wrong.

Yes sir.

That's what I was hinting at - so many aspects of the TT-RS are not conducive to an entertaining driving experience. And if straight-line speed is his thing, then there are (as always) much cheaper and faster alternatives.

My gf has an Audi Q3 and loves it. It is beautifully made and has an awesome ride and interior. But you're asking a lot of the front wheels, even when the car has Quattro. The inherent feel and advantage of a RWD car is really hard to beat...

[M2GranCoupeOLEDlights]

"If you use adaptive cruise control, you should get a Hyundai"

What kind of retard says this? What part of shared and only car do you people not understand? And it is for traffic and rush hour, CHRIST. Just goes to show how fucking touchy you all are when I mention something that gives an advantage over the damn M2. I don't even know if the TT RS has it, just ASKED. Incredible.

Like I said, it is more expensive, but the interior, comfort, technology, speed and sound balances out a few hundred bucks a month especially when it is a DD shared with wife.

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by M2GranCoupeOLEDlights

"If you use adaptive cruise control, you should get a Hyundai"

What kind of retard says this? What part of shared and only car do you people not understand? And it is for traffic and rush hour, CHRIST. Just goes to show how fucking touchy you all are when I mention something that gives an advantage over the damn M2. I don't even know if the TT RS has it, just ASKED. Incredible.

Like I said, it is more expensive, but the interior, comfort, technology, speed and sound balances out a few hundred bucks a month especially when it is a DD shared with wife.

Bashing retards now?