[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by PABrian

Sure as hell can't daily an E9x M3? Since when? My brother has had his for several years now and it's his family's only car, with two child seats in the back since day one. It's been just fine, but he's smart and keeps up with required and expected maintenance. I know numerous other people who currently or used to daily an E9x M3 and I guarantee you none of them would agree with your statement there.

Whether a car can be dailied is also hugely subjective. There are people who daily drive an R32 GTR while others say that's a horrible idea. There are people who daily a Ferrari, while others say that's a horrible idea.

A good part of the whole purpose of an M car is that it can be daily driven. M cars aren't these esoteric, ultra-exotic cars that need to be kept immaculately clean at all times in climate controlled garages their whole lives, take 20 minutes to warm up, and only ever be driven on sunny warm days on fun backroads. They're year-round drivers that are meant to be able to do anything. Take them to the track, run errands, throw baby seats in the back and take the kids to daycare, go on long road trips, throw snow tires on them and drive right through a winter storm, commute with them. M cars are not dedicated, limited use sports cars.

Well I sure hope you’re correct, but in my experience with the E9X chassis and every E92 M3 owner I know + many reviewers (e.g. savagegeese) the E9X M3 is a pain in the ass to maintain. To me such a car cannot be daily driven. I’ll certainly buy one as a second car at some point.

[F80DK]

Originally Posted by ptgltw

I don't think history is on your side. A huge (albiet fast) 4 door that's priced very high usually doesn't end well on the selling side.

I see that car as an I don't care about money car. For owners who want the ultimate 4 door sedan experience and don't care about trading it in 3 years later and losing $50 grand.

Thoughts?

I hear you: I have a tough time knowing I can pick up a 2019 M5 w 15K kilometers and Rear Seat Entertainment for the kids for half the price of the 180K Euros a CS will cost. Imagine the M5 CS was launched first - and 2 years later the M5C was launched with 5 seats, RSE and Bowers. Would this be the more useable, we all had hoped for? Hmnn.

Sure, put any CS in a garage - and it might keep its value. But as someone mentioned, you wanna drive this thing. Roll down the windows and hear it roaring thru the woods and blasting up and down the Alps. Yes, it will cost you. Yes, the best may be in 5 years to pick up one, used at half the price. But we only live once!

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by F80DK

I hope that will apply to the M5 CS as well!!

They are from two different planets but from the same solar system

M5 CS is a giant driven by brute force, whereas the M2 CS relies upon its agility more so than shear power

They both play a significant role in their respective niche in the motoring Cosmos.

M5CS is a runaway train at maximum speed, and the M2 CS is like a mountain goat playfully attacking a steep climb

I'll go so far as saying, I don't think anything exists today quite the same in either category (4-seater coupe and a rocketship with a M badge), and therefore, both have a good chance of being remembered fondly long after I would have kissed the ground permanently

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by ptgltw

Keep your eye on the prize! I can see why you went after that car thou. It's an amazing find.

Belongs in a collection for sure. Maybe reach out to EAG?

Sidenote: I think I remember this car popping up....I was interested as well but delayed the purchase and it was scooped up. Wasn't it in PA or something like that? If I remember the price wasn't as high as it should have been also! You might be able to make some $$ on the sale.

Thanks! Yes, in PA. He was local and I couldn't believe the condition. Game plan was to enjoy as a weekend car with approx. 500 miles or so driving annually and hopefully experience zero depreciation with the potential for appreciation.

[MachinesWithSouls]

Originally Posted by WWM3

I am contemplating selling my 2013 E92 M3 for an M2 CS. My car is a super desirable spec: ZCP 6MT Cloth and no Nav. Plus only 7300 miles. I am worried I will regret it but I keep thinking about it...

If it makes you feel any better, I was an original E92 owner and had mine for 9 years. I sold it 2 years ago in anticipation of the G80 and while I do miss it, I thought it was time to move on.

Like you, mine had low miles, and was a ZCP stick, so it was coveted. But it was time for me.

[ChiTownM]

Originally Posted by WWM3

I am contemplating selling my 2013 E92 M3 for an M2 CS. My car is a super desirable spec: ZCP 6MT Cloth and no Nav. Plus only 7300 miles. I am worried I will regret it but I keep thinking about it...

I also have a 2009 e92 with cloth and single hump dash, no options and have decided to buy the CS without trading in the e92. If down the road I feel that I really won't regret selling it, I'll put it up for sale. The only reason to do it this year may be the used car market being real strong.

I guess my answer didn't really help :

[BimmerPowered]

Originally Posted by sdhotwn

Years back I got the chance/financials to finally start renting some supercars on track, and ended up doing that more than a dozen times with different organizations at tracks all over the place. After I did it the first time and drove a Gallardo, R8, and GTR all in a day my wife asked if I wanted one [supercar] now - she was afraid given my car nuttery. My answer shocked her. I said "Nope. Never now that I've driven some". That answer has remained true after driving many different ones. The only ones I hedge on that a little bit is the 570S and the Huracan Performante.

The reason - every one of the supercars was so high in performance that at low speeds they were not very interesting. So you had to push them hard to get them to be lively, or run out the engines to get the personalities to come out. So you either are doing dangerous and illegal things on the street, or running them at the track to do so. You end up with all this money wrapped up in a car that has little opportunity to actually be used to its full potential, AND there are cars that actually do the track side of things better and more easily maintained for the track. So it became an utterly "what's the point" aspect outside of the fashion and attention and "I can afford it" aspect that goes with the cars.

Porsche and BMW have nailed the formula for tons of quality, performance, day to day usability, and track capability. There's a lot on the spectrum below it, and there are a lot of amazing cars. From Miata to GT2RS and everything in between... love them all for what they are. The CS is one of a number of really unique and special cars to be happy it exists alongside plenty of great other ///M's, P-Cars, Mustang, Camaro's, Miata's and more.

Agreed 100%! Exactly why I think a 225-250hp Miata (<2,300lbs) with suspension/wheels/tyres would be the most fun street/backroads car for a sensible price in today's world. It's just hard to wring out >500hp+ all the time on the street and very few of us live on the track.

[M4 GTS]

Originally Posted by robopp

I will say unlike the S55, the S58 just wants to go past redline (7200). If only BMW didn't give it that damn ZF8 transmission limiting the redline!

I wish BMW used S58 instead of S55. S58 is much better engine. That is one of the reasons I went GT4 instead M2CS

[msmatt]

Originally Posted by ptgltw

I don't think history is on your side. A huge (albiet fast) 4 door that's priced very high usually doesn't end well on the selling side.

I see that car as an I don't care about money car. For owners who want the ultimate 4 door sedan experience and don't care about trading it in 3 years later and losing $50 grand.

Thoughts?

Even if this car is great, it'll depreciation death spiral....... I don't see these as super collectible.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by 6speed_M2

My goal is to beat the 1/4 mile & 0-60 in my FBO E85 N55!

To 60 isn't really that hard

OG is easy to get the power down

My OGM2 beats my M4 to 60 over and over

[maxxfish]

I've had 3 E9X M3s, two race cars and one street car. The race cars were a bitch to get the suspension dialed in, and the E90 M3 street car had a ton of power but was honestly kind of boring. I feel like my E46 M3 street car had way more character and "soul"

[ptgltw]

Originally Posted by M4 GTS

I wish BMW used S58 instead of S55. S58 is much better engine. That is one of the reasons I went GT4 instead M2CS

I would hope the S58 it's a better engine. We don't need BMW regressing when it comes to engines.

[ptgltw]

Originally Posted by robopp

I will say unlike the S55, the S58 just wants to go past redline (7200). If only BMW didn't give it that damn ZF8 transmission limiting the redline!

For the time being they have similar peak power numbers.

The S55 revs to 7300 while the s58 revs to 7200.

Maybe they are sandbagging so when the CS models come out they can increase rpm by a couple hundred?

[MinionM3]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

All fair points, but there is a certain joy to owning the latest and greatest model, especially one like the CS which will be limited production (relative to the E92 M3) and possibly appreciate in value as time goes on.

I doubt most M2 CS's will be daily driven, but you sure as hell can't daily an E92 M3. That chassis just wasn't engineered to be remotely reliable. Bluetooth audio also crapped out on a lot of those cars as phones became more advanced.

Disagree on your e92 comment - I daily drove my e92 M3 for 6 years and put over 90k issue free miles on it before turning it into a track car / it was a fantastic daily for me outside of fuel mileage....

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by BimmerPowered

Agreed 100%! Exactly why I think a 225-250hp Miata (<2,300lbs) with suspension/wheels/tyres would be the most fun street/backroads car for a sensible price in today's world. It's just hard to wring out >500hp+ all the time on the street and very few of us live on the track.

About a decade ago I built a 300whp 91 1993 miata. It was really fun at track days having drivers approach asking about it. You couldn't tell by looking at it.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

About a decade ago I built a 300whp 91 1993 miata. It was really fun at track days having drivers approach asking about it. You couldn't tell by looking at it.

Fun to drive no doubt about it

I wouldn't want to ever crash one

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Fun to drive no doubt about it

I wouldn't want to ever crash one

Nope, and that's why track days became less fun. Safety/mortality ratio was out of whack. It needed a full cage in my opinion to be safe.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

Nope, and that's why track days became less fun. Safety/mortality ratio was out of whack. It needed a full cage in my opinion to be safe.

Smart Evaluation ‼️

[Ilikemike]

Originally Posted by MinionM3

Disagree on your e92 comment - I daily drove my e92 M3 for 6 years and put over 90k issue free miles on it before turning it into a track car / it was a fantastic daily for me outside of fuel mileage....

Ditto Mine was a e92 M3 and it was a really fun daily driver, no issues except fuel pump at 45K, drove mine to 83K then on to M4 Comp..

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by ptgltw

For the time being they have similar peak power numbers.

The S55 revs to 7300 while the s58 revs to 7200.

Maybe they are sandbagging so when the CS models come out they can increase rpm by a couple hundred?

Why does mine rev to 7600rpm ?


And it does it easily. MHD tune.

Cheers
Robin

[slicer]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Well I sure hope you’re correct, but in my experience with the E9X chassis and every E92 M3 owner I know + many reviewers (e.g. savagegeese) the E9X M3 is a pain in the ass to maintain. To me such a car cannot be daily driven. I’ll certainly buy one as a second car at some point.

I have had three e92's (2 were daily drivers) and found them to be very reliable. Never considered them difficult to maintain.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by slicer

I have had three e92's (2 were daily drivers) and found them to be very reliable. Never considered them difficult to maintain.

I just started year 9 with my 2011 E90 M3. The car has been amazingly reliable since new. No warranty claims under factory warranty and none for the 2 year additional CPO. I did have to replace a valve in a hose in the CCV system that failed maybe 6 months after the CPO ended, but it was inexpensive (~$50). That's the only "repair" the car has ever needed other than a new battery at year 7, but I consider that maintenance. As far as regular maintenance, I DIY and I have found nothing difficult as it is all straightforward.