[SCOTT26]

Find out about intentions in just over two weeks.

[Bimmed Out]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Find out about intentions in just over two weeks.

Awesome, can't wait!

[bogeyman]

A CSL will be shown at Monterey?

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Find out about intentions in just over two weeks.

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Find out about intentions in just over two weeks.

I guess we will have to wait for the Pebble Beach Concours to known more.

[SCOTT26]

Its a further rendition of the M2 based 2002 Hommage.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Its a further rendition of the M2 based 2002 Hommage.

It'd better be a production version.

[confusion]

http://www.bmwblog.com/2016/08/05/bm...-pebble-beach/

[Gatte]

Seems like it's just going to be a concept then. I got all excited and tingly for nothing.

[bogeyman]

We were told that yesterday on bmwblog. Why don't you tell us something we don't know Scott. Surprise us

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Its a further rendition of the M2 based 2002 Hommage.

[Advevo]

I spoke to an M product manager few weeks ago and he told meM2 GTS will not come because it will be just as expensive as an M4 GTS.

But BMW can change it's mind very fast.

I am curious want gonna happen.

I don t need an m2 gts which costs 2 times an M2. I put in some recaro s myself and a rear wing is ugly so i don t need that anyway.

The weight will be not very lower then an org. m2

M4 GTS is just as heavy as a normal m4 also. And i want to drive stick

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Advevo

I spoke to an M product manager few weeks ago and he told meM2 GTS will not come because it will be just as expensive as an M4 GTS.

But he BMW can change it's mind very fast.

I am curious want gonna happen.

I don t need an m2 gts which costs 2 times an M2. I put in some recaro s myself and a rear wing is ugly so i don t need that anyway.

The weight will be not very lower then an org. m2

M4 GTS is just as heavy as a normal m4 also. And i want to drive stick

I agree. What I want is probably closer to a CSL than a GTS. The quickest way to faster is lighter ! I want the Moto GP safety car, licensed for the road - and absolutely with a manual gearbox please.

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I agree. What I want is probably closer to a CSL than a GTS. The quickest way to faster is lighter ! I want the Moto GP safety car, licensed for the road - and absolutely with a manual gearbox please.

IF that's what you want... I'm sure TuningWerk could fix you up. All it takes is cash. Their 740Hp 1M was amazing around the 'Ring. They have built plenty of safety cars too.

[Advevo]

I am happy how my M2 is now.

Black kidney s.
2 recaro s


Planned

Pagid yellows rs29
Srf brake fluid
Eibach pro kit or suspension upgrade

I would like to add more lightness

Carbon hood
Carbon roof
Carbon rear deck

The CSL style is more to my liking then an GTS.

GTS is to much with the rear wing and with the 20 inch wheels and orange colour. I like a rear roll cage but only in a black colour so it does not get to much attention. I can do without an rollcage for my daily use and occasional trackday.

If you look back in time the e46 m3 CSL was almost perfect the only thing wrong was the smg2 gearbox.

M2 CSL manual

Just get an m2 manual en add lightness!

The perfect M2 CSL would be.

M2 CSL
19 inch CSL style wheels org m2 brakes so 18 inch wheels can be fitted no expensive ceramic brakes
Silver Grey colour style
Carbon hood
Carbon roof
Carbon rear deck with integrated flap spoiler like the e46 m3 Csl
Carbon door trims llike the e46 m3 csl with dooropeners like the GTS
Alcantara steering wheel like the gts
Alcantara used in front and rear seats. Recaro SPG XL with Alcantara clothing.
Less sound proofing into the car to add more lightness.

Engine standard no need for more hp.
Exhaust standard i don t need more sound. For me it s more then enough. No active sound over stereo please!
Carbon rear diffuser with nice titanuim tips on orginel exhaust system.
Strut Bar carbon from m4
Lower the a car a little bit but no adjustable kw most of us don t adjust it anyway.


No way this car has to cost double the price. Make it 10000 euro more expensive. So it will be used and not go down into collector items. And build enough!

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Find out about intentions in just over two weeks.

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Its a further rendition of the M2 based 2002 Hommage.

The M2 CS concept ?

[Franzino]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

I am betting 2nd hand GT4 prices will start to fall once 991.2 GT3 6MT is available.

Many GT4 owners who wants to have a 6MT Porsche GT car can only go for a GT4 at this stage. I am sure quite a number of them will trade up to the 991.2 GT3 6MT and we will see more GT4 on the 2nd market competing for a buyer.

I hope GT4 prices will drop a little...at the moment the GT4 is more expensive then when you bought a new one. I hope that they will drop in a couple off years to something as 75K - 80K in Europe. Why; because I want one and for me they are now to expensive!
But I don't think this going to happen really fast...maybe when they introduce the MK2 model of the GT4 (if that still has the NA engine and manual gearbox).

When they introduce the 991.2 GT3 (with the option of a manual gearbox and a 4.0L engine) then indeed prices of a 991.1 GT3 (with PDK) will drop. But the price of a used 991.1 GT3 will probably not drop below the price of a used MK1 GT4....and I will still want a GT4.

[Franzino]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Damn right! The appeal of this M2 specialised edition is lost if it cost an arm and a leg and more...

A competition package + track options instead has a lot more potential.

+1 that would be awesome...why does BMW never doe that

[Franzino]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Are you on a list already?

100k will be >120k overhere

I'm on a list at my dealer but no way for that kind of money...

Cheers
Robin

For that price I will take a new or used GT4 any time!

[Franzino]

Originally Posted by Advevo

I am happy how my M2 is now.

Black kidney s.
2 recaro s


Planned

Pagid yellows rs29
Srf brake fluid
Eibach pro kit or suspension upgrade

When my M2 arrives in time it will also get different brake fluid, steel brake linings, Pagid RS29 (or BMW Performance pads) and Eibach Pro kit. Recaro seats would be great, but not very handy when it's my daily car and I want to use the back seats... I'm keeping the supersport tyres and not going to upgrade to CUP2 tyres.

Originally Posted by Advevo

If you look back in time the e46 m3 CSL was almost perfect the only thing wrong was the smg2 gearbox.

+1

Originally Posted by Advevo

The perfect M2 CSL would be.

M2 CSL
19 inch CSL style wheels org m2 brakes so 18 inch wheels can be fitted no expensive ceramic brakes
Silver Grey colour style
Carbon hood
Carbon roof
Carbon rear deck with integrated flap spoiler like the e46 m3 Csl
Carbon door trims llike the e46 m3 csl with dooropeners like the GTS
Alcantara steering wheel like the gts
Alcantara used in front and rear seats. Recaro SPG XL with Alcantara clothing.
Less sound proofing into the car to add more lightness.

Engine standard no need for more hp.
Exhaust standard i don t need more sound. For me it s more then enough. No active sound over stereo please!
Carbon rear diffuser with nice titanuim tips on orginel exhaust system.
Strut Bar carbon from m4
Lower the a car a little bit but no adjustable kw most of us don t adjust it anyway.


No way this car has to cost double the price. Make it 10000 euro more expensive. So it will be used and not go down into collector items. And build enough!

Sir; you are 100% correct and it's like I can hear myself talking

IMO the engine of my dream M2 CSL can have the same power. I does not need more power in my opinion. Most "potential" M2 CSL buyers will also look at the engine performance. So maybe a small increase of 15-20hp in combination with the extra lightness is needed to make a bigger performance difference with the normal M2. And people will probably want more power in their M2 CSL then in a normal M2..for their state of mind.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

I am betting 2nd hand GT4 prices will start to fall once 991.2 GT3 6MT is available.
Many GT4 owners who want to have a 6MT Porsche GT car can only go for a GT4 at this stage. I am sure quite a number of them will trade up to the 991.2 GT3 6MT and we will see more GT4 on the 2nd market competing for a buyer.

Originally Posted by Franzino

I hope GT4 prices will drop a little...at the moment the GT4 is more expensive then when you bought a new one. I hope that they will drop in a couple off years to something as 75K - 80K in Europe. Why; because I want one and for me they are now to expensive!
But I don't think this going to happen really fast...maybe when they introduce the MK2 model of the GT4 (if that still has the NA engine and manual gearbox).
When they introduce the 991.2 GT3 (with the option of a manual gearbox and a 4.0L engine) then indeed prices of a 991.1 GT3 (with PDK) will drop. But the price of a used 991.1 GT3 will probably not drop below the price of a used MK1 GT4....and I will still want a GT4.

Won't see the Cayman GT4 price dropping in the (near) future. IMHO GT4s in pristine condition won't change hands (except maybe for trade-ins at Porsche dealers) below the 2015 MSRP. That car was not only an instant classic because of its 6MT (Cayman GTS can also be ordered with 6MT, though demand is very low: "about 5%" a new GTS 6MT owner told me in Summer 2014]). It's because of the GT4's total package (Porsche GT breed, GT3 bits, 3.8l flat-6 N.A., design/looks, power, performance, sound, etc.). The want is strong with this epic one, and so will be the resale price too.

[Franzino]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Won't see the Cayman GT4 price dropping in the (near) future. IMHO GT4s in pristine condition won't change hands (except maybe for trade-ins at Porsche dealers) below the 2015 MSRP. That car was not only an instant classic because of its 6MT (Cayman GTS can also be ordered with 6MT, though demand is very low: "about 5%" a new GTS 6MT owner told me in Summer 2014]). It's because of the GT4's total package (Porsche GT breed, GT3 bits, 3.8l flat-6 N.A., design/looks, power, performance, sound, etc.). The want is strong with this epic one, and so will be the resale price too.

I know it's not going to drop in price...but I still hope it will do But for the time being a BMW M2 on order is far from a punishment.
When I think of it, the current value of my 2006 Z4M together with the value of my M2 on order is even below the value of the cheapest GT4 that is for sale... But I'm not complaining! I will keep my two M-cars instead

When the GT4 was available I wanted it so bad and it was on top of my wishlist... At the time I could not afford it and I also needed a new car that I could use everyday next to my Z4M roadster. The M2 is the first car besides the GT4 that got me almost equally exited. With a pricetag of €40.000 less and everyday usuability it received a green light from me to actually buy one. Of course a GT4 and M2 are not realy comparable, but both are great cars for people who love driving....and that kind of cars (with not over top prices) are getting rare these days.

[stren]

Originally Posted by Advevo

No way this car has to cost double the price. Make it 10000 euro more expensive. So it will be used and not go down into collector items. And build enough!

With many dealers charging mark ups, rave reviews and BMW already not making enough M2's it's hard to imagine that any CS/CSL/GTS will be affordable or available. I'd love to be proved wrong but your list sounds like an awesome dream, but a dream none the less.

[MYK]

I like it! The price, not so much.