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      10-15-2018, 12:54 PM   #23
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I can now confirm the EBC Yellow is barely ''Ok'' for track duty, they did not leave uneven deposits like stock pads but I melted them 50% in 1.5 track days.

Plus following my friend in is M2 with Pagid I could never use is braking points I was clearly running out of braking power.

Fluid was fresh Gurf RF1000.

Track Season is now over for us so I will have all winter to think about my next pads.. For those who have actually used both PFC and Pagid, how would you compare them ?
They are both good. I've used RSL1 and PFC08, in my opinion PFC is getting overpriced. I personally use Hawk DTC70, good and inexpensive.
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I can now confirm the EBC Yellow is barely ''Ok'' for track duty, they did not leave uneven deposits like stock pads but I melted them 50% in 1.5 track days.

Plus following my friend in is M2 with Pagid I could never use is braking points I was clearly running out of braking power.

Fluid was fresh Gurf RF1000.

Track Season is now over for us so I will have all winter to think about my next pads.. For those who have actually used both PFC and Pagid, how would you compare them ?
They are both good. I've used RSL1 and PFC08, in my opinion PFC is getting overpriced. I personally use Hawk DTC70, good and inexpensive.
I saw PFC08 at $300us wich seems to be on par with Pagid.

I bet the DTC70 have the same corrosive dust as the DTC60 ?
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Very interested in this thread. I have been recommend endless mx72 as a good track/street pad.
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I saw PFC08 at $300us wich seems to be on par with Pagid.

I bet the DTC70 have the same corrosive dust as the DTC60 ?
300 must be just for fronts. For Porsche applications they are getting $$$. Both the DTC70 and 60 compound dust but I don't think it's corrosive. Not like the old Hawk Blues. I wash my wheels after track use though.
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I just ran a track day with Ferodo DS2500 on the front...I am a newbie and it was Thunderhill which is a moderate course in regard to heavy breaking...they held up well to some heavy breaking without any issues. I am leaving them on for street and track as this is my weekend car which I plan on tracking 2-3 times a year.
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Several of us with M235i's and the OG M2 have had great success with Powerstop's Z26 street pad. It's very low/zero dust, and works great around town.

I just got back from a trip to Tail of the Dragon where I drove my M235i HARD, and I never experienced fade or low performance from these pads. I have SS lines and good fluid, but they really do feel great around town.

I plan to track my car this fall/winter/spring and I will be running a dedicated track pad. But for street use, I just hate noise/dust. These pads seem to be fit the bill, along with not sacrificing much if any on street performance.
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I ran track days on both RS29s and stock pads and I am now in a position where I would really like to avoid swapping between them all the time. I know there is no perfect answer here and the more I'm aggressive on the track I will need race pads but I would like to hear recommendations for pads that are acceptable for track days and don't squeal that much on daily use.

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As I have mentioned before, my favorite is:

EBC Yellowstuff with Castrol SRF

Couple of notes:

-Go through the proper bed in procedure (very important with these pads, cannot stress that enough)
-Drive fast, but don't abuse them on the track, they are an "in-betweener" pad, treat them as so.
-Used them with success on the M2, R56 Mini, Cayman S, E92 M3, FR-S, etc. So a pretty wide range of light to heavier cars. I run fast and respectable lap times with these pads, and then drive around town in peace and quiet, love them.

IMHO, these pads are highly underrated. Reason, probably because most people drive them on the track like a full race pad, which is something they are not.
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I ran track days on both RS29s and stock pads and I am now in a position where I would really like to avoid swapping between them all the time. I know there is no perfect answer here and the more I'm aggressive on the track I will need race pads but I would like to hear recommendations for pads that are acceptable for track days and don't squeal that much on daily use.

Thanks.
As I have mentioned before, my favorite is:

EBC Yellowstuff with Castrol SRF

Couple of notes:

-Go through the proper bed in procedure (very important with these pads, cannot stress that enough)
-Drive fast, but don't abuse them on the track, they are an "in-betweener" pad, treat them as so.
-Used them with success on the M2, R56 Mini, Cayman S, E92 M3, FR-S, etc. So a pretty wide range of light to heavier cars. I run fast and respectable lap times with these pads, and then drive around town in peace and quiet, love them.

IMHO, these pads are highly underrated. Reason, probably because most people drive them on the track like something they are not.
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Reason, probably because most people drive them on the track like something they are not.
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Such thing as a track AND street pad does not exist. However the pad with oem streetability with improved trackability to some degree and less dust do exist somewhere. Otherwise oem should be technically the best balance pad in the industry. How could that be true?

BTW now ambient temp goes slightly below 20C/68F. The MX72 on my car is stock quiet under normal street driving, but when I intentionally heat it up via hard driving (not suitable on street), it squeals again. That is freaking weird, normally pads are noisy when cold. Anyway it will make a good street pad for me in the winter to come. I'll see what to do next year, maybe.
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Such thing as a track AND street pad does not exist. However the pad with oem streetability with improved trackability to some degree and less dust do exist somewhere. Otherwise oem should be technically the best balance pad in the industry. How could that be true?

BTW now ambient temp goes slightly below 20C/68F. The MX72 on my car is stock quiet under normal street driving, but when I intentionally heat it up via hard driving (not suitable on street), it squeals again. That is freaking weird, normally pads are noisy when cold. Anyway it will make a good street pad for me in the winter to come. I'll see what to do next year, maybe.
Have you tried a hard bed in SeanWRT I've found many good proper track pads to do better after a good bed in. Especially if you spent lots of road miles rubbing off track deposits doing light braking.
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Have you tried a hard bed in SeanWRT I've found many good proper track pads to do better after a good bed in. Especially if you spent lots of road miles rubbing off track deposits doing light braking.
Actually did hard bed-in multiple times. First time being right after install, it worked well until its first track day use where I felt vibration and squeal on my way back home.

Could be the deposit on rotor so I bedded in again. Vibration was fixed but the noise wasn't. And then I followed up in next few months with more bedding in. Didn't work, noise remains. It's quiet when cold though.

It's the only complain at this point I have on my car.
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Actually did hard bed-in multiple times. First time being right after install, it worked well until its first track day use where I felt vibration and squeal on my way back home.

Could be the deposit on rotor so I bedded in again. Vibration was fixed but the noise wasn't. And then I followed up in next few months with more bedding in. Didn't work, noise remains. It's quiet when cold though.

It's the only complain at this point I have on my car.
Bummer. Usually this occurs if the pad was overheated at the track. It happened to my 86 on stock tires ( LOL ) with Winmax W3's. I guess I'm hard on the brakes. ( I don't ride on ABS, or try not to )
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So I had my first track day with the DS2500s at Buttonwilow. They held up pretty well. One surprising thing was that it felt they are actually getting better after the first few runs. I did push the car pretty heavily in the end but this track is no THAT demanding on brakes. Overall good experience.
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So I had my first track day with the DS2500s at Buttonwilow. They held up pretty well. One surprising thing was that it felt they are actually getting better after the first few runs. I did push the car pretty heavily in the end but this track is no THAT demanding on brakes. Overall good experience.
Almost one year later and at the same track, I got the message that I need to replace the pads

11 months, 8k miles and 5 track days later. DS2500s are great pads!
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I loved my ebc yelowstuff for fast road on my previous car but never tracked it.

The hotter they got the better on the road and couldn't be induced to fade like the OEM pads on the car.

I'm intrigued when I need pads to fit them to my M2 too.
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I loved my ebc yelowstuff for fast road on my previous car but never tracked it.

The hotter they got the better on the road and couldn't be induced to fade like the OEM pads on the car.

I'm intrigued when I need pads to fit them to my M2 too.
I ran the yellows on track and went trough a set in no time, even the rears lasted only 3-4 events.

I now run ferodo ds.11 but also have a set of ds2500 for street use or light track.
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So I had my first track day with the DS2500s at Buttonwilow. They held up pretty well. One surprising thing was that it felt they are actually getting better after the first few runs. I did push the car pretty heavily in the end but this track is no THAT demanding on brakes. Overall good experience.
Almost one year later and at the same track, I got the message that I need to replace the pads

11 months, 8k miles and 5 track days later. DS2500s are great pads!
I plan on using 2500s when my stocks wear out. I've been using 1.11s on the front and 2500s in the back on the track and they've been great.
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I plan on using 2500s when my stocks wear out. I've been using 1.11s on the front and 2500s in the back on the track and they've been great.
DS2500 is an excellent choice.
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so the disks are fine for track use ( I have the blue brake on my M2C). How easy is it to swap out break pads ?
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so the disks are fine for track use ( I have the blue brake on my M2C). How easy is it to swap out break pads ?
5 minutes a corner once you get the hang of it.

You do not even have to take the calipers off.

Pop out the 2 pins, remove clip, slide out brake pads (remove sensor on 2 corners).

Reverse order to install new pads.
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I plan on using 2500s when my stocks wear out. I've been using 1.11s on the front and 2500s in the back on the track and they've been great.
Any issues with the mixed compound, in terms of brake balance front to rear? I have a track day coming up in December and was thinking DS1.11 pads but I am very interested in your arrangement with DS2500 in rear.
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I plan on using 2500s when my stocks wear out. I've been using 1.11s on the front and 2500s in the back on the track and they've been great.
Any issues with the mixed compound, in terms of brake balance front to rear? I have a track day coming up in December and was thinking DS1.11 pads but I am very interested in your arrangement with DS2500 in rear.
It actually works out pretty well, since the majority of your brake force is on the front.

After 4 track days, the pad wear between front and rear is pretty much identical.

Also, since the 2500s and 1.11s share the same compound, you can switch between them without having to rebed the pads everytime. This is a pretty nice perk if you plan to run 2500s on the street.
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