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      02-12-2020, 02:38 AM   #1
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M2 V M2C on the track

Now that the M2C has been out for a while, does anyone have any real world experience on the track. Is the M2C much quicker when driven by mortals ?

I am particularly interested in std M2 v M2C

I track with a guy that has a "quite' modified M2C but he is an experienced driver the car. He is as fast as the GT3RS guy so not a good comparison.

Folk that track and have gone from a OG to a C would prob know best, have your times lowered if so by how much ?

Reason I ask is I am considering upgrading but am wondering if worth it. I dont plan or want to modify the engine.

Video is the modded M2C

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      02-12-2020, 07:41 AM   #2
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Can't really give you a direct comparison since I've never driven the M2C, but to put it into perspective, I consistently get outpaced by E36 and E46 M3's in overall track times by more experienced drivers.

I think speed on the track is more about the driver, and less about the car. It also depends on the track, if you end up on a track with some really long straights in it, that extra HP can be put to good use.
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M2C is 8 seconds faster at the 'Ring. But that's 22km long, and has 3 long straights where extra power up top helps.

On a average 2-3 mile track I would think the difference would be under 1s. So in my opinion not worth the price delta.

The bigger advantage of the C is it’s tuning potential, which you said is not in scope for your use case.
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On a average 2-3 mile track I would think the difference would be under 1s. So in my opinion not worth the price delta.
Bingo. Not worth it, especially if you aren't modifying the engine.

I would use that money spent on the driver mod.
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I think the M2C will be significantly faster, even on my smaller local tracks (2.7 miles) my M2 was running out of breathe on the straights. The M2C just keeps pulling even with the detuned factory tune above 5K RPM.
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I think the M2C will be significantly faster, even on my smaller local tracks (2.7 miles) my M2 was running out of breathe on the straights. The M2C just keeps pulling even with the detuned factory tune above 5K RPM.
Sure, it will be 2-3 car lengths ahead, but when you're crossing start/finish at 100mph that's still factions of a second.

If M2C is only 8s faster on the 13 miles of Nordschleife (including a mile long back straight) I can't fathom how it gets more than 1s on a sub 3 mile circuit. Unless it's 2 turns and all straights.
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      02-12-2020, 11:01 AM   #7
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When the M2C was launched and both cars compared on various tracks, the M2 was a tiny bit quicker on very tight tracks (lighter car), and the M2C was quicker on typical and longer tracks (more power).

On average the M2C was about 1s quicker on a 2min track, but it really depended on track layout.

Where the M2C has a big advantage is consistency on hot days. The M2 heat soaks pretty quickly if it’s mod’ed at all.
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Since this thread is about tracking, I think this video is relevant. It was posted in the M2 Comp forum.
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Yeah, stock vs stock, there’s not much in it.

Mod’ed vs mod’ed, the M2C will smoke the M2. But, you better be pretty damn good at car setup and a damn good driver to extract everything from a mod’ed M2C.

I can’t tell you how many Stage 2, 3, 4, whatever S55’s I’ve left for dust on track, and now you have to bench flash them to get those power gains.

That said, I would love to have some liquid to air intercooling on my car!

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Well the stock torque levels are really different and you can feel it in your butt dyno. My question to you is, how much time and money have you spent to be able to blow away a stage 2 M2C?
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Well the stock torque levels are really different and you can feel it in your butt dyno. My question to you is, how much time and money have you spent to be able to blow away a stage 2 M2C?
My point is most guys that have 500hp+ cars can’t drive them to the limit, so it mostly negates this idea that fast car = fast times.

Even in the black & red run groups you have plenty guys that have been doing it for years who aren’t really that fast. This is one reason I jumped to racing.

All this said, I have no doubt I’d be a decent bit quicker in a mod’ed M2C vs a mod’ed M2. But, then I’d have to listen to it. Just teasing...

Back to the OP’s question, if he’s staying stock there’s not much difference in the cars on track and he should get whichever car speaks to him more.

If he plans to add power, go M2C and save a lot of headaches.
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I wouldn't call a $550. tune a lot of headaches.
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I wouldn't call a $550. tune a lot of headaches.
I think you misunderstood my point again or misread it.

If he wants to add power and track the car, he should go M2C to save a lot of headaches (esp cooling) that the M2 guys have to deal with.
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Shorter track than the ring. Obviously different days, different transmissions, plus they ominously misquote the m2c weight in the second video but it’s still a pretty direct comparison.




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Shorter track than the ring. Obviously different days, plus they ominously misquote the m2c weight in the second video but it’s still a pretty direct comparison.



Always love watching the lightning laps each year. And, damn I wish our cars were that light!

Something to keep in mind like you said, is the M2C is DCT and the M2 is manual. From other comparisons, that’s worth at least 1sec of the 2sec differential bn the cars.

Plenty of other unaccounted for variables bn the years and two runs (and check out that price difference!), but the DCT has been consistently shown to be faster.

And I remember not believing that the M2 was faster than the R8 thru the esses, but that’s what I mean by it’s better to keep the suspension soft so you can drive right over those curbs!

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What blows my mind? We're arguing over 1 or 2s between the M2 and M2C. Yet the Camaro SS 1LE did it 6s faster and GT350R did it 10s faster. Perspective.
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What blows my mind is that the Camaro SS 1LE did it 6s faster and GT350R did it 10s faster. Wow.
Those cars are legit.

I was once following an 1LE driven by a decent but sloppy driver and I’d make ground on him in the corners, but I never could catch & pass the guy.

The only 350R I’ve been on track with was a fairly novice driver and I’d cruise around him, but by the end of the weekend he was latching on and I gladly let him pass me before the straight so I could grin the whole time I listened to his exhaust note blast away from me. Then I’d catch up and we’d do it all over again.

Both of those cars should smoke an M2 any day tho!
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I think you misunderstood my point again or misread it.

If he wants to add power and track the car, he should go M2C to save a lot of headaches (esp cooling) that the M2 guys have to deal with.
Mis read it, sorry😟
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Thanks for all the opinions / feedback.
With my current high milage the price to upgrade will be around $60k (aus) maybe $40K for a 2nd hand low miles one.
Thats pretty expensive for a subject to second or 3
And I get to wear the depreciation all over again. Financially its a no brainer, but...
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Thanks for all the opinions / feedback.
With my current high milage the price to upgrade will be around $60k (aus) maybe $40K for a 2nd hand low miles one.
Thats pretty expensive for a subject to second or 3
And I get to wear the depreciation all over again. Financially its a no brainer, but...
I upgraded to M2C from M235i. I felt it was worth it since the suspension on the M235i was not up to canyon carving like the M2. If I had already owned an M2 I'd find it hard to justify the upgrade expense.

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Folk that track and have gone from a OG to a C would prob know best, have your times lowered if so by how much ?
I would move this thread to the "track" section of the forum. You're going to get a bunch of replies in this section from people who are biased one way or another who have never tracked either car or have tracked only one car and not the other.
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Consider an intercooler upgrade if you go with the m2
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