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      03-29-2020, 08:42 AM   #1607
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There is a long thread on the Rennlist 992 board where many guys are discussing backing out of their 911 orders.



I wonder if BMW will even (be able to) make all 2200.

So while demand may decrease because of the economic downturn, supply may head in the same direction. No one can ever predict the market with certainty, but the market is especially unpredictable now. Those who want the M2 CS but don't have the money and/or an allocation, may be hoping that the car becomes more readily available, and at a discount. But those who can afford it and have an allocation may well be hoping that supply is more limited than originally planned and reported.
This for sure. I'd love to get an allocation and have only 200 sent to the US, but that's mainly because of the higher than it should be price. I don't believe BMW will adjust the pricing. As said, there are plenty of folks out there that still have the flexibility to buy. I'm hoping BMW offers some ridiculously low finance incentives like GM. Borrow money for free, lengthen repayment, and reinvest the money difference between shorter term and longer term finance. That's a win.
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It would be nice to think BMW could add some incentive for people still committed to buy a CS once the delays are over. Not so much a discount but maybe a free accessory or CarPlay. It’s been an interesting ride for those all in from the get go on the CS. Just a little something for sticking it out.
My build was in June but that’s not going to happen.
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I feel sorry for all of you that have firm CS orders in place. I think it's all just a waiting game at this point. Maybe it's time to think of plan B JIC.
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I feel sorry for all of you that have firm CS orders in place. I think it's all just a waiting game at this point. Maybe it's time to think of plan B JIC.
Yea how about plan C. Buy aM2c and do some fun mods. Either way we will have to wait.
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Yep, what would really be tragic is if they cut the whole M2C and M2CS production short. Lack of production and lack of demand could be a double whammy.
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It would be nice to think BMW could add some incentive for people still committed to buy a CS once the delays are over. Not so much a discount but maybe a free accessory or CarPlay. It’s been an interesting ride for those all in from the get go on the CS. Just a little something for sticking it out.
My build was in June but that’s not going to happen.
CarPlay already comes standard on the M2C and M2CS. Also, BMW announced they will not charge a monthly subscription charge for CarPlay anymore.

I just think BMW unfortunately stretched out the hype for too long and now with this crisis, even further. Around the fall, the new M3/M4 will be announced / released. And a lot of folks are going to realize they can spend the same amount for a much more capable car (new design language notwithstanding).

In addition, the new AMG A45/CLA45 looks terrific and has the performance to boot. These options definitely look more upscale than the M2s.
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In addition, the new AMG A45/CLA45 looks terrific and has the performance to boot. These options definitely look more upscale than the M2s.
JS

Not sure why, but Mercedes has never tickled my fancy, even the AMG variants. That said, my disinterest is purely aesthetic, and I cannot say I have ever put one to the performance test. No doubt they are capable driving machines. Speaking of which . . .

I believe somewhere in this long thread we exchanged some posts about differentials. I really put the GTS torque vectoring to task today on some serious BFI ‘twisties.’ Absolutely the perfect combination of ‘slip and grip.’

I was chasing my buddy in his GT 350 – I am being kind in my use of ‘chasing.’ At any rate, I accrued some serious new front-end paint and windshield ‘war wounds’ during the festivities. To boot, when arriving back near my home, some old geezer rolled into my rear-end at a stop light. Of course, his Camry was no worse for wear, but I now have a nice rear bumper ‘scar’ to add to my collection. Felt bad for the dude and figured I would not pursue paint repair anyway, so I just bid him a ‘good day.’

Just a car, and I am trying to stock-up on good Karma during these testing times.

Stay safe brother

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In addition, the new AMG A45/CLA45 looks terrific and has the performance to boot. These options definitely look more upscale than the M2s.
JS

Not sure why, but Mercedes has never tickled my fancy, even the AMG variants. That said, my disinterest is purely aesthetic, and I cannot say I have ever put one to the performance test. No doubt they are capable driving machines. Speaking of which . . .

I believe somewhere in this long thread we exchanged some posts about differentials. I really put the GTS torque vectoring to task today on some serious BFI 'twisties.' Absolutely the perfect combination of 'slip and grip.'

I was chasing my buddy in his GT 350 – I am being kind in my use of 'chasing.' At any rate, I accrued some serious new front-end paint and windshield 'war wounds' during the festivities. To boot, when arriving back near my home, some old geezer rolled into my rear-end at a stop light. Of course, his Camry was no worse for wear, but I now have a nice rear bumper 'scar' to add to my collection. Felt bad for the dude and figured I would not pursue paint repair anyway, so I just bid him a 'good day.'

Just a car, and I am trying to stock-up on good Karma during these testing times.

Stay safe brother

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Oh no! So sorry to hear what happened to your Cayman...you are definitely kind for leaving the bumper scar be. But I'm sure the person probably is appreciative not having to involve insurance, etc.

And yes, if I were to get a Porsche, PVT is a must have. I've also stated how surprising it is that so many cars are without this option. In fact, out of all 718s available nationwide, only a small handful has PVT.

Edit: out of 510 available 718 nationwide. Only 10 has PTV

Stay safe my friend and enjoy those spirited drives!
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It would be nice to think BMW could add some incentive for people still committed to buy a CS once the delays are over. Not so much a discount but maybe a free accessory or CarPlay. It's been an interesting ride for those all in from the get go on the CS. Just a little something for sticking it out.
My build was in June but that's not going to happen.
CarPlay already comes standard on the M2C and M2CS. Also, BMW announced they will not charge a monthly subscription charge for CarPlay anymore.

I just think BMW unfortunately stretched out the hype for too long and now with this crisis, even further. Around the fall, the new M3/M4 will be announced / released. And a lot of folks are going to realize they can spend the same amount for a much more capable car (new design language notwithstanding).

In addition, the new AMG A45/CLA45 looks terrific and has the performance to boot. These options definitely look more upscale than the M2s.
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I just think BMW unfortunately stretched out the hype for too long and now with this crisis, even further.
No matter your position on the M2 CS, I think we can all agree with this. It was an unnecessarily long and drawn out process and ultimately anticlimactic due to corona.
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I just think BMW unfortunately stretched out the hype for too long and now with this crisis, even further.
No matter your position on the M2 CS, I think we can all agree with this. It was an unnecessarily long and drawn out process and ultimately anticlimactic due to corona.
(note: the comments on YouTube are hilarious) (nicked music track: Marvin Gaye - "'T' Stands For Trouble")
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I'm surprised bmw hasn't pushed up the press reviews since we are at a standstill. I came across these articles, which I thought were an interesting perspective. Some will say it's not the same thing, but I see it fairly apples to apples.

https://jalopnik.com/why-the-porsche...par-1668192364

https://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/911/carrera-gts

The GTS is a costly upgrade, that isn't a significant upgrade, but seems to make things more enjoyable. Yet, folks still buy them instead of just adding stickier rubber to an S.
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Germany - 500
Belgium / Lux - 131
Canada - 120
UK - 104
Australia - 70
Spain - 47
France - 70
Italy - 44
Netherlands - 30
US
South Africa
Switzerland
Ireland

Spain only getting 47 units now down from 75

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.las...573f88317.html
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Germany - 500
Belgium / Lux - 131
Canada - 120
UK - 104
Australia - 70
Spain - 47
France - 70
Italy - 44
Netherlands - 30
Bulgaria - 4
US
South Africa
Switzerland
Ireland

Spain only getting 47 units now down from 75

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.las...573f88317.html
Not a good 'leading indicator' if one were to look at it that way. Then again poor Spain has been hit so hard lately that perhaps that was impetus. Hard to get excited about car buying in times like these...

On that note, sharing a Hagerty article on COVID-19 and the potential impact on the collector car market:

https://www.hagerty.com/articles-vid...or-car-market#
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I think so too. The new Vett is also taking away any leftover enthusiasm for this car.
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No matter your position on the M2 CS, I think we can all agree with this. It was an unnecessarily long and drawn out process and ultimately anticlimactic due to corona.
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Not sure why, but Mercedes has never tickled my fancy, even the AMG variants. That said, my disinterest is purely aesthetic, and I cannot say I have ever put one to the performance test. No doubt they are capable driving machines. Speaking of which . . .

I believe somewhere in this long thread we exchanged some posts about differentials. I really put the GTS torque vectoring to task today on some serious BFI ‘twisties.’ Absolutely the perfect combination of ‘slip and grip.’

I was chasing my buddy in his GT 350 – I am being kind in my use of ‘chasing.’ At any rate, I accrued some serious new front-end paint and windshield ‘war wounds’ during the festivities. To boot, when arriving back near my home, some old geezer rolled into my rear-end at a stop light. Of course, his Camry was no worse for wear, but I now have a nice rear bumper ‘scar’ to add to my collection. Felt bad for the dude and figured I would not pursue paint repair anyway, so I just bid him a ‘good day.’

Just a car, and I am trying to stock-up on good Karma during these testing times.

Stay safe brother

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Germany - 500
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Canada - 120
UK - 104
Australia - 70
Spain - 47
France - 70
Italy - 44
Netherlands - 30
US
South Africa
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Spain only getting 47 units now down from 75

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.las...573f88317.html
Interesting thanks Dave, I wonder if there's more shuffling of the pack to be done?
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The South Africa configurator is now live. They would be in the RHD production run.

Sadly the CS configurator is such a let down due to lack of options. There's nothing to play with. I wish they would just open up allocations so that we can move forward with looking forward to delivery or other options.

Singapore looks to be getting in on the action.
https://m.sgcarmart.com/articles/art...?CT=e&AID=3848
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The South Africa configurator is now live. They would be in the RHD production run.

Sadly the CS configurator is such a let down due to lack of options. There's nothing to play with. I wish they would just open up allocations so that we can move forward with looking forward to delivery or other options.

Singapore looks to be getting in on the action.
https://m.sgcarmart.com/articles/art...e&AID=3848
The U.K. configurator has standard OG M2 seats and blue interior stitching too!
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The U.K. configurator has standard OG M2 seats and blue interior stitching too!
Hopefully that do something a little more put together when it goes live here, but I doubt it. They could screw with people by offering individual color in the configurator. At least it would give us something to do. The BMW USA m models page might be in the process of being changed as I can't open it.
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