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      03-25-2020, 07:39 PM   #529
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So the only tube and fin type is Wagnerís cooler?
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      03-25-2020, 09:05 PM   #530
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So the only tube and fin type is Wagnerís cooler?
Correct
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      03-26-2020, 10:17 AM   #531
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how is it with mishimoto, anyone has any experience?
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how is it with mishimoto, anyone has any experience?
Its an okay intercooler
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Does the 6.5" intercooler fit in the M2 without having to cut or remove the front brace (which the non M cars don't have)?

Is there a difference between the 6.5" Stepped Competition HD FMIC offered at the moment and the 6.5" Race Intercooler mentioned in this post?
https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...9#post25378499
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      03-31-2020, 07:57 AM   #534
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Does the 6.5" intercooler fit in the M2 without having to cut or remove the front brace (which the non M cars don't have)?

Is there a difference between the 6.5" Stepped Competition HD FMIC offered at the moment and the 6.5" Race Intercooler mentioned in this post?
https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...9#post25378499
There's not 6 1/2" between the brace and condenser.
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      03-31-2020, 07:58 AM   #535
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I can't apologize enough if you've had a less than desirable experience. I'll shoot over a PM so we don't have to stuff up this thread
I sent you the information you asked for 3 weeks ago and never heard back.
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There's not 6 1/2" between the brace and condenser.
Really?

Since I posted this yesterday, I've had other people say there are two different 6.5" VRSF intercoolers. The Competition HD (which is meant to fit without altering the brace and can be installed without removing the front bar) and the Race Intercooler (where some trimming or removal of the front brace is required and the front bar needs to be removed to install it).

I'm getting so much mixed info again...
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      03-31-2020, 06:42 PM   #537
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I'm noticing a trend for the necessity of a plug and play solution. I'll see if we can't get a M2 in here next week so we can properly scan the cavity and design a M2 specific intercooler for the folks interested in a mod-free solution.
So are you saying the 6.5" Competition intercooler won't fit my M2 without cutting the front brace even though it's listed on your website as fitting? I'm a bit disappointed if that's the case.
By the time I import this intercooler to Australia, it's a $700USD investment on a part you guys are selling for RRP $470USD with your distributors selling it less than that, which makes a cheap intercooler not so cheap. If it's listed on your website as application fitting, then it should fit without the need to cut or remove a metal brace. I'm not talking about a bit of plastic, i'm meaning things the OEM have put in place for rigidity.

Otherwise why can't you just mention it on your product description what parts need to be removed, trimmed, altered so you aren't wasting everybody's time in researching, ordering, making time to fit it only to find out it doesn't actually fit without cutting metal structural components of the car?
Not everybody wants to be cutting structural pieces for an intercooler, others may not mind, at least make it clear for the consumer...

Does this fit or not?
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      04-01-2020, 07:45 AM   #538
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Does the 6.5" intercooler fit in the M2 without having to cut or remove the front brace (which the non M cars don't have)?

Is there a difference between the 6.5" Stepped Competition HD FMIC offered at the moment and the 6.5" Race Intercooler mentioned in this post?
https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...9#post25378499
Iím looking for an answer on this as well.
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      04-01-2020, 08:01 AM   #539
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Iím looking for an answer on this as well.
The 6.5" Competition HD will not fit the M2 without modifying the brace. We're working on high capacity kit that will bolt up without modification specifically for the M2 as we speak
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The 6.5" Competition HD will not fit the M2 without modifying the brace. We're working on high capacity kit that will bolt up without modification specifically for the M2 as we speak
Im looking for the difference between the comp and race versions. Iím looking to buy.
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      04-01-2020, 08:58 AM   #541
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Im looking for the difference between the comp and race versions. Iím looking to buy.
The Competition HD is smaller than the Race FMIC. The Competition FMIC is rated for about 750whp and the Race FMIC can support up to 1000whp.
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I’m looking for an answer on this as well.
I don't remember exactly how or when I measured the gap and my car isn't with me right now but I don't recall it being that difficult to measure the distance between the brace and the condenser. I may have even done it through the front opening. VRSF first told me that it could be installed without removing the front bumper which wasn't true. They basically indicated that I didn't know what I was doing. Then they said that it would fit with no problem and no interference issues which was not correct either. They said that it fit just fine on their vehicle with no modifications even though the picture they had on their web site showed the brace removed. Now they say they're building one that doesn't require modification to the vehicle. Caveat emptor.
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I can tell you this for a fact though, the CSF cooler fits with no modifications and no interference issues.
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I can tell you this for a fact though, the CSF cooler fits with no modifications and no interference issues.
I have an M235i, so I may not have the extra bracing. How did it perform?
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I have an M235i, so I may not have the extra bracing. How did it perform?
The CSF cooler works great. No lag with a tune and no issues with heat. I do not however track my car.
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So are you saying the 6.5" Competition intercooler won't fit my M2 without cutting the front brace even though it's listed on your website as fitting? I'm a bit disappointed if that's the case.
By the time I import this intercooler to Australia, it's a $700USD investment on a part you guys are selling for RRP $470USD with your distributors selling it less than that, which makes a cheap intercooler not so cheap. If it's listed on your website as application fitting, then it should fit without the need to cut or remove a metal brace. I'm not talking about a bit of plastic, i'm meaning things the OEM have put in place for rigidity.

Otherwise why can't you just mention it on your product description what parts need to be removed, trimmed, altered so you aren't wasting everybody's time in researching, ordering, making time to fit it only to find out it doesn't actually fit without cutting metal structural components of the car?
Not everybody wants to be cutting structural pieces for an intercooler, others may not mind, at least make it clear for the consumer...

Does this fit or not?
The other thing that they don't mention is that the stock cooling fan shroud doesn't reach the brackets built on to the intercooler so the fan isn't really hooked to anything on the bottom like it is with the stock intercooler./
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The other thing that they don't mention is that the stock cooling fan shroud doesn't reach the brackets built on to the intercooler so the fan isn't really hooked to anything on the bottom like it is with the stock intercooler./
That issue was corrected a long time ago.

You seem to be going out of your way to bash VRSF while promoting CSF. Your shill is showing.
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That issue was corrected a long time ago.

You seem to be going out of your way to bash VRSF while promoting CSF. Your shill is showing.
I am not affiliated with CSF in any way manner shape or form. I have also not stated anything that wasn't true about VSRF. You on the other hand advertise a lifetime warranty on your products and a 100% fitment guaranted yet never mention the modifications that you have to make to your vehicle to make the parts fit. The fan fitment issue wasn't corrected on my intercooler and I even sent you pictures to prove it. You told me no one had an issue installing the 6.5" intercooler with the brace still in yet now you're going to design one for customers that want to keep the brace in place. Shill? No, just making fellow members aware of pitfalls they can encounter with your products. If I have a positive experience with a product I pass that information along. The same goes for a negative.
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That issue was corrected a long time ago.

You seem to be going out of your way to bash VRSF while promoting CSF. Your shill is showing.
Hi Tiago,

Lesly has told me separate to this thread that the 5" will fit fine, the 6.5" will need the spacers, I asked if the spacers are included with the 6.5" intercooler? and the reply I got was "spacers are included but they arent' necessary"

I just keep getting more and more confused with different information coming all the time, half of the issue is people and distributors getting confused between the 5" and 6.5" comp and 6.5" race.

For the 6.5" Comp intercooler, can you answer the below questions I have, You can PM me if it's more appropriate but it looks like others have the same questions I do:
- Are the spacers included in the kit?
- Are the spacers for unbolting the brace and reinstalling the brace with the spacers in place to purely bring the brace towards the front of the car to give enough clearance so the intercooler doesn't hit anything?
- For install, this requires a full front bar off job, it won't slide up from the bottom like I guess the 5" one would?
- Are there instructions?
- What comes in the box?
- You mentioned the stock cooling fan shroud issues has been rectified, do the spacers throw this out at all?
- What is the 5" rated to (hp/kw)
- How far away is the M2 specific product?
- Will the M2 product fit from the bottom or still require front bar off? If it still needs a front bar removal?

I know I might sound like I'm a pedantic prick, but all I'm trying to do is throw money at your company to get more power out of my car, and i'm really struggling to justify giving my money for a product with minimal and incorrect information. I just want to install an intercooler that will at least do Stage 2 with a possibility of stage 3 in the future, and fit my other bolt on bits that I already have (VRSF catless downpipe and VRSF charge pipe).

I mean this in the most constructive way possible, but the misleading info on your website doesn't help.
Why can't there be 2 separate pages for the two different products with the different applications?
If the dimensions, weight, part numbers, photos, vehicle applications are different between the two, they should be two different product pages.

The amount of confusion having one product page for two different products is amazing, even your distributors get confused like the conversation on Facebook I've posted below. If your distributors get confused, how are the rest of us meant to buy the right product?

I do get that other guys frustration, yes he's finding every opportunity to bag out VRSF intercoolers, but VRSF is just making it way to easy for people to bag out the intercoolers right now. I still want a VRSF intercooler, I just need some basic honest information which a product page should have.
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I am not affiliated with CSF in any way manner shape or form. I have also not stated anything that wasn't true about VSRF. You on the other hand advertise a lifetime warranty on your products and a 100% fitment guaranted yet never mention the modifications that you have to make to your vehicle to make the parts fit. The fan fitment issue wasn't corrected on my intercooler and I even sent you pictures to prove it. You told me no one had an issue installing the 6.5" intercooler with the brace still in yet now you're going to design one for customers that want to keep the brace in place. Shill? No, just making fellow members aware of pitfalls they can encounter with your products. If I have a positive experience with a product I pass that information along. The same goes for a negative.
In before someone accuses me of being connected to a competitor. Installed VRSF decat last week, and a photo of right now with VRSF charge pipes on my makeshift home office waiting for an intercooler that fits my car

I've already got threadlock on the methanol ports to seal them up lol
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