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      01-08-2020, 09:10 AM   #1189
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CS weight is listed as 1,550 kg (DIN) there which is the same as the M2C
It is indeed 55 Lbs lighter. Doing the lighter battery as well by Lite Blox to save another 10KG.

That is all I need. Keep it stock and i am good to go.
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It is indeed 55 Lbs lighter. Doing the lighter battery as well by Lite Blox to save another 10KG.

That is all I need. Keep it stock and i am good to go.
That's what I'm thinking. Then as CCB discs come down in price, and I can get the surface transforms tech, I may try out a set.
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      01-08-2020, 10:50 AM   #1192
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Well guys, I have officially let my allocation for the M2CS go. I have been going back and forth on whether or not the car was for me for a few months now, and I decided to go in a different direction.

I was lucky enough to score a one owner, 2016 CPO 981 BGTS that only has 3K miles on the odometer. This was a local guy's 4th car or something and he only drove it on really nice days apparently.

I had a 981 CS a couple of years ago, and I lamented letting it go after the fact, so this is a way for me to try something new (never had a convertible before) while enjoying some naturally aspirated goodness. And since we already have an OG M2 in the garage, I can still get my ///M fix when I need it.

On that note, the M2CS is going to be a great car, and I am really looking forward to getting to see how they're received (and hopefully one in person at some point).
I'm with you on the convertible. I think that's the direction I would go. Post up a comparison review when you get a chance.
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      01-08-2020, 11:12 AM   #1193
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That's what I'm thinking. Then as CCB discs come down in price, and I can get the surface transforms tech, I may try out a set.
Dave are you getting the CCBS with your CS? I'm leaning towards skipping it as I believe the standard brakes are good enough. Plus the possible replacement cost. Wish we had a review of this car.
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Also in addition to initial and replacement costs, there have been reports that the CCBS are very noisy.
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      01-08-2020, 11:24 AM   #1195
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Also in addition to initial and replacement costs, there have been reports that the CCBS are very noisy.
The stock 2NH aren't what I would consider quiet. I don't much care though, they're performance oriented brakes, so I don't expect them to be as quiet as a single piston floating caliper on an econobox. They look too damn good to really care IMO.
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The stock 2NH aren't what I would consider quiet. I don't much care though, they're performance oriented brakes, so I don't expect them to be as quiet as a single piston floating caliper on an econobox. They look too damn good to really care IMO.
The 2NH brakes on my car squeak most of the time. However it only takes one spirited drive or a wash to make them quiet again. I think it is the nature of the performance pads.
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I’m with dmboone25, I’m thinking of getting my deposit back on the CS because I’m tired of the games BMW is playing. I sold my OG M2 hoping to get a new CS but life moves in strange ways. We just bought a 26’ Airstream RV to go see our beautiful country and Canada in the next few years but for now I’m back on the hunt for one of my favorite cars of all time, a Honda S2000. Good luck to those of you that are lucky enough to get one, I’m sure it will be a great car.
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Is February when US allocations will start? I'm curious if my allocation will come to fruition. Someone from Belgium is expecting delivery in April. Makes you wonder why US is always last for ordering/delivery.
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Dave are you getting the CCBS with your CS? I'm leaning towards skipping it as I believe the standard brakes are good enough. Plus the possible replacement cost. Wish we had a review of this car.
I will not be getting the CCBS with my CS, especially since I plan to track it regularly. In my experience, good pads make up the main difference unless you are doing full out racing even at heavy brakes tracks like Road America near me. I also don't want to deal with the costs of ever having to deal with replacing the rotors for a nick or wear/heating in the long term. It's also a negative on the secondary market usually, especially at this price point. So it's an open and shut for me.
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I will not be getting the CCBS with my CS, especially since I plan to track it regularly. In my experience, good pads make up the main difference unless you are doing full out racing even at heavy brakes tracks like Road American near me. I also don't want to deal with the costs of ever having to deal with replacing the rotors for a nick or wear/heating in the long term. It's also a negative on the secondary market usually, especially at this price point. So it's an open and shut for me.
Thanks for your input especially mentioning the negative affect of CCBS on the resale market.
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Dave are you getting the CCBS with your CS? I'm leaning towards skipping it as I believe the standard brakes are good enough. Plus the possible replacement cost. Wish we had a review of this car.
Nope, the car is a bit richly priced and I don't think the CCBs are worth the added cost. I want them, just don't want to pay for them. The aftermarket is really starting to bring the price down. Since the calipers are the same as the CCB equipped cars I'll wait until I can get some lower cost discs. I believe surface transforms makes a disc that is superior to Brembo for longevity. I'm convinced the squeaking is largely dependent upon the bedding process. The process is long, intense, and I believe few go through the full process. Seems those that do don't seem to have complaints about brakes. I've read a lot of forum threads across many makes to come to that conclusion.

If you track with CCB is an absolute no no to use any traction control. It introduced too much heat. Tracking will burn through the discs unless you can keep them cool. I believe it is possible to successfully track them, but difficult. You really need a way to continually monitor disc temps.
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Is February when US allocations will start? I'm curious if my allocation will come to fruition. Someone from Belgium is expecting delivery in April. Makes you wonder why US is always last for ordering/delivery.
First M2 CS deliveries for Belgium are expected early Spring.
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I wonder if the enthusiasm in the us market is lacking and they are hoping for good press in Euro market to get things cooking
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Nope, the car is a bit richly priced and I don't think the CCBs are worth the added cost. I want them, just don't want to pay for them. The aftermarket is really starting to bring the price down. Since the calipers are the same as the CCB equipped cars I'll wait until I can get some lower cost discs. I believe surface transforms makes a disc that is superior to Brembo for longevity. I'm convinced the squeaking is largely dependent upon the bedding process. The process is long, intense, and I believe few go through the full process. Seems those that do don't seem to have complaints about brakes. I've read a lot of forum threads across many makes to come to that conclusion.

If you track with CCB is an absolute no no to use any traction control. It introduced too much heat. Tracking will burn through the discs unless you can keep them cool. I believe it is possible to successfully track them, but difficult. You really need a way to continually monitor disc temps.
Given that the CCBs seems to be somewhat "delicate" or "fragile" with respect to how you can use them in a track situation, what are the practical benefits?

I know there's little to no brake dust, but that's a cosmetic advantage. Are they lighter? I've read that they're also squeaky...just seem like more of a headache than anything.
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Nope, the car is a bit richly priced and I don't think the CCBs are worth the added cost. I want them, just don't want to pay for them. The aftermarket is really starting to bring the price down. Since the calipers are the same as the CCB equipped cars I'll wait until I can get some lower cost discs. I believe surface transforms makes a disc that is superior to Brembo for longevity. I'm convinced the squeaking is largely dependent upon the bedding process. The process is long, intense, and I believe few go through the full process. Seems those that do don't seem to have complaints about brakes. I've read a lot of forum threads across many makes to come to that conclusion.

If you track with CCB is an absolute no no to use any traction control. It introduced too much heat. Tracking will burn through the discs unless you can keep them cool. I believe it is possible to successfully track them, but difficult. You really need a way to continually monitor disc temps.
Given that the CCBs seems to be somewhat "delicate" or "fragile" with respect to how you can use them in a track situation, what are the practical benefits?

I know there's little to no brake dust, but that's a cosmetic advantage. Are they lighter? I've read that they're also squeaky...just seem like more of a headache than anything.
They save considerable weight and I see Porsche GT3 guys tracking them all the time with stability systems on (yes I know they are better than BMW's but still). They either don't care about the high cost or replace the hole car before the brakes are done..
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First M2 CS deliveries for Belgium are expected early Spring.
As of yesterday, my US dealer still had no ordering guide.
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I wonder if the enthusiasm in the us market is lacking and they are hoping for good press in Euro market to get things cooking
I honestly believe the delay in the USA is due to BMW sorting out international demand first and figuring out allocations. Whatever is not taken up internationally will be dumped in the USA market. Given the results of the M3/4cs it makes sense that they are more careful about country specific allocations.
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Given that the CCBs seems to be somewhat "delicate" or "fragile" with respect to how you can use them in a track situation, what are the practical benefits?

I know there's little to no brake dust, but that's a cosmetic advantage. Are they lighter? I've read that they're also squeaky...just seem like more of a headache than anything.

They are lighter, and less unsprung weight is a significant handling advantage. However, it's still in the realm of things that the above average joe still is unlikely to notice. In regular street use the rotors can last an incredibly long time (anecdotally well over 100K), and are sometimes considered to be "infinite".

CCBs are considered "higher performance" in general. This has usually been associated with more fade resistance and ability to handle higher temps, which ironically is the thing that can ruin the rotors. The rotors don't really wear out from wearing down like steel rotors do, they end up needing to be replaced from some form of outgassing from being overheated that I don't fully understand so I can't explain.

A couple of the Porsche guys I know that track heavily, and plenty of forum people in the PCA world switch to steels on their CCB cars for track days, and then back to CCB for street driving. When I was looking for a GT4 and then evaluating buying a used M4 GTS these issues came up regularly, and it wasn't common to see people mention that 3-4 track days and CCBs needed to be replaced.

There are a number of factors I don't fully understand around what the benefits are supposed to be past the weight reduction, so I'm not the best advocate. I've seen enough of the drawbacks, plus the cost, and I track enough that there wasn't any reason for me to go any deeper than the knowledge above on the issue. I've always been able to extract any additional bite or fade resistance I've needed, combined with streetability with pad compound selection. Brake dust is the losing battle though usually. My E36 M3 track car has TINY stock brake rotors, still weighs over 3200 lbs, and I've battled away the fade etc without issue, so I have zero concern with the M2's 15+" rotors involved.
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looks fantastic, brilliant colour combo. i love the wheels too.

I'll pass on the GT4 if I can get a Spyder allocation. The only issue is the lack of available colours.

Enjoy yours, looks superb !

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Well guys, I have officially let my allocation for the M2CS go. I have been going back and forth on whether or not the car was for me for a few months now, and I decided to go in a different direction.

I was lucky enough to score a one owner, 2016 CPO 981 BGTS that only has 3K miles on the odometer. This was a local guy's 4th car or something and he only drove it on really nice days apparently.

I had a 981 CS a couple of years ago, and I lamented letting it go after the fact, so this is a way for me to try something new (never had a convertible before) while enjoying some naturally aspirated goodness. And since we already have an OG M2 in the garage, I can still get my ///M fix when I need it.

On that note, the M2CS is going to be a great car, and I am really looking forward to getting to see how they're received (and hopefully one in person at some point).
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looks fantastic, brilliant colour combo. i love the wheels too.

I'll pass on the GT4 if I can get a Spyder allocation. The only issue is the lack of available colours.

Enjoy yours, looks superb !
Thank you.

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