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      08-20-2018, 04:23 PM   #485
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I didn't buy my M240i, nor would I buy an M2, for fuel economy.

When I get in my car that is not a priority.
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I owned an M235i for four years before buying an M2. There is no comparison. The M2 has much better feeling of the road and can handle curves much better. I wasn't planning on trading in my M235i. I was in for a service appointment and my sales advisor grabbed me and told me they had an M2 that a customer back out on. He said I had to drive it. After a 30 mile test drive, I had to have it.

By the way, I would take a DCT over the ZF8 any day.
Yeah, I would take the DCT over the ZF8 also. It is not as fuel efficient though. People buy cars for different reasons and different uses. I'm looking forward to my new M2C which will have a manual transmission and have worse fuel efficiency than an M2, but I don't care about gas mileage, some people do.

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I didn't buy my M240i, nor would I buy an M2, for fuel economy.

When I get in my car that is not a priority.
Heck, if we were going for fuel economy, we would be driving Prius.
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      08-27-2018, 12:27 PM   #488
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To be honest I don't even look at the value for the money. I just look at the car. The wide fenders alone are worth it for me.
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I had an 16 M235i. Other than the obvious differences mentioned, there are some things I've noticed since having my M2. The M235i is certainly a more comfortable car in traffic. The ZF8 auto is just a lot smoother. It was almost relaxing driving the M235i in heavy traffic. The DCT isn't bad, but it's not the same.

It's doesn't bother me, just something I noticed.
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I saw a M240i this morning in front of me and noticed how thin the rear tires are. The car is pushing similar power as the M2. How are these stock tires handling all that power? because I feel like my stock M2 has too much power for these stock M2 tires (MPSS) that are noticeably wider than M240's.
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To be honest I don't even look at the value for the money. I just look at the car. The wide fenders alone are worth it for me.
same reason I will not go near the RS3 or A43AMG. If they had widebody on RS3, I would've went to that side of the pond for the 4 doors.
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I saw a M240i this morning in front of me and noticed how thin the rear tires are. The car is pushing similar power as the M2. How are these stock tires handling all that power? because I feel like my stock M2 has too much power for these stock M2 tires (MPSS) that are noticeably wider than M240's.
The answer to your question is traction control. The DSC on the M235/M240 works overtime. Personally I couldn't stand the jerking of the DSC. I bought 19" BBS CI-R wheels and mounted 235/35 and 265/30 MPS 4S tires. Problem mostly solved.
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I'm the first person to admit we probably put too much weight on magazine numbers seeing most of us don't track our cars often if at all but if you look at the latest C&D Lightning Lap the 2017 M240i even with the B58 engine is shockingly slower than the M2 around the VIR. It puts up only a 3:08.0 time vs the 3:01.9 time put up by the 2016 M2. That's a massive difference that even wider rear tires will not make much difference. Massive difference! It's pretty clear the M240i is a performance-lite car vs the M2 and there's nothing wrong with that but to claim it's on the same level or close performance-wise is simply false.
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same reason I will not go near the RS3 or A43AMG. If they had widebody on RS3, I would've went to that side of the pond for the 4 doors.
Well the RS3 does have wide fenders even if it's the front fenders which get the flare treatment.
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I'm the first person to admit we probably put too much weight on magazine numbers seeing most of us don't track our cars often if at all but if you look at the latest C&D Lightning Lap the 2017 M240i even with the B58 engine is shockingly slower than the M2 around the VIR. It puts up only a 3:08.0 time vs the 3:01.9 time put up by the 2016 M2. That's a massive difference that even wider rear tires will not make much difference. Massive difference! It's pretty clear the M240i is a performance-lite car vs the M2 and there's nothing wrong with that but to claim it's on the same level or close performance-wise is simply false.
While I agree that the M240i does not have the suspension of the M2. It would be interesting to see how well the M240i would do with the same size rubber as the M2. It may not get around the course with the same fineness but the raw numbers would be interesting to see, tires do matter.
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While I agree that the M240i does not have the suspension of the M2. It would be interesting to see how well the M240i would do with the same size rubber as the M2. It may not get around the course with the same fineness but the raw numbers would be interesting to see, tires do matter.
I would like to see a comparison where both M2 and M240i has the same brand and same tire size as well. Also, M240i doesn't come with a LSD but you can option it for like $2K AFAIK. it should make a noticeable difference around a track.
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      08-29-2018, 12:30 PM   #497
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I would like to see a comparison where both M2 and M240i has the same brand and same tire size as well. Also, M240i doesn't come with a LSD but you can option it for like $2K AFAIK. it should make a noticeable difference around a track.
This is about as close as you will get stock for stock. Both cars had Michelin PSS tires and 6-speed manual so only difference being smaller tire size and 60 lbs more weight and while they don't show the options I'm willing to bet this one came with the LSD seeing it's optioned up $10 over base price and it's tested price is higher than the 2016 M2;

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...p-2017-feature

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...p-2016-feature
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This is about as close as you will get stock for stock. Both cars had Michelin PSS tires and 6-speed manual so only difference being smaller tire size and 60 lbs more weight and while they don't show the options I'm willing to bet this one came with the LSD seeing it's optioned up $10 over base price and it's tested price is higher than the 2016 M2;

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...p-2017-feature

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...p-2016-feature
Smaller tire size is a huge disadvantage. I know since I upgraded my tires. My M235i was like a different car after the change. It sticks to the road like glue compared to the original sized tires, no lie.
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This is about as close as you will get stock for stock. Both cars had Michelin PSS tires and 6-speed manual so only difference being smaller tire size and 60 lbs more weight and while they don't show the options I'm willing to bet this one came with the LSD seeing it's optioned up $10 over base price and it's tested price is higher than the 2016 M2;

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...p-2017-feature

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...p-2016-feature
I highly doubt that car had LSD by looking at the way he's coming out of corners. Also, as far as I could tell, it had leather option, electronic alcantara steering wheel, front splitters, front lip, black kidney grills, HK sound system, navigation etc. so it's not hard to imagine msrp is $10K more without the LSD.
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M240i optional lsd ain't no M-lsd..

I've tracked my M235i xdrive (tuned to at least M2 power on RE71r) follwing my friend in is 2017 M2 and let me tell you the M2 is freaking efficient on the track, I am a more aggressive driver than him and I had a hard time keeping up. I can also confirm the huge difference in grip because I drove his car afterwards. The suspension/brakes, chassis stiffness, steering are all totally different between them.

I am not bashing the M235/240i, I loved mine, its really nice sports car but if you happen to track often (10+ events per summer) and you can afford the M2, your going to love it.
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M240i optional lsd ain't no M-lsd..

I've tracked my M235i xdrive (tuned to at least M2 power on RE71r) follwing my friend in is 2017 M2 and let me tell you the M2 is freaking efficient on the track, I am a more aggressive driver than him and I had a hard time keeping up. I can also confirm the huge difference in grip because I drove his car afterwards. The suspension/brakes, chassis stiffness, steering are all totally different between them.

I am not bashing the M235/240i, I loved mine, its really nice sports car but if you happen to track often (10+ events per summer) and you can afford the M2, your going to love it.
I don't want to keep beating a dead horse, and I believe your findings and impressions. But were you running 235/35 265/30 tires? That would have given you almost the same size rubber as the M2. I repeat myself, tire size matters when it comes to grip.
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M240i optional lsd ain't no M-lsd..

I've tracked my M235i xdrive (tuned to at least M2 power on RE71r) follwing my friend in is 2017 M2 and let me tell you the M2 is freaking efficient on the track, I am a more aggressive driver than him and I had a hard time keeping up. I can also confirm the huge difference in grip because I drove his car afterwards. The suspension/brakes, chassis stiffness, steering are all totally different between them.

I am not bashing the M235/240i, I loved mine, its really nice sports car but if you happen to track often (10+ events per summer) and you can afford the M2, your going to love it.
Nobody is saying M240i is equally good or better than M2 with just the addition of an LSD and yes I'm aware that it's not an M-LSD and there are other differences between two models (suspension, brakes, steering etc). However, as I said earlier, I would like to see the lap time difference when the M240i has the same size tires and an LSD.
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M240i optional lsd ain't no M-lsd..

I've tracked my M235i xdrive (tuned to at least M2 power on RE71r) follwing my friend in is 2017 M2 and let me tell you the M2 is freaking efficient on the track, I am a more aggressive driver than him and I had a hard time keeping up. I can also confirm the huge difference in grip because I drove his car afterwards. The suspension/brakes, chassis stiffness, steering are all totally different between them.

I am not bashing the M235/240i, I loved mine, its really nice sports car but if you happen to track often (10+ events per summer) and you can afford the M2, your going to love it.
Nobody is saying M240i is equally good or better than M2 with just the addition of an LSD and yes I'm aware that it's not an M-LSD and there are other differences between two models (suspension, brakes, steering etc). However, as I said earlier, I would like to see the lap time difference when the M240i has the same size tires and an LSD.
Your point is valid, maximum tire size on M235/240i is 255 witdh without touching the fenders. I would be super curious to compare them on regular mpss/4s and or cup2's.
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same reason I will not go near the RS3 or A43AMG. If they had widebody on RS3, I would've went to that side of the pond for the 4 doors.
Well the RS3 does have wide fenders even if it's the front fenders which get the flare treatment.
Does it really? I couldn't tell at all while looking at one at the dealership.
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Your point is valid, maximum tire size on M235/240i is 255 witdh without touching the fenders. I would be super curious to compare them on regular mpss/4s and or cup2's.
I did some extensive research on wheels before I bought mine.
I bought these:
https://www.dinancars.com/product/d7...es=&mid=M235i/

235/35/19 front and 265/30/19 rear MPS 4S tires. This setup shoehorns those tires in without rubbing. These are the only wheels that I could find to accomplish this on a stock suspension. In addition this setup yields a zero scrub radius.
The sidewall is 80mm in the front and 82mm at the rear which is like perfect.

https://www.wheel-size.com/calc/?whe...cl=30mm&sr=0mm

https://www.wheel-size.com/calc/?whe...cl=30mm&sr=0mm

Unless you alter the suspension, that is about the best wheel/tire setup that is possible for a stock M235/M240 RWD coupe.
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Your point is valid, maximum tire size on M235/240i is 255 witdh without touching the fenders. I would be super curious to compare them on regular mpss/4s and or cup2's.
I did some extensive research on wheels before I bought mine.
I bought these:
https://www.dinancars.com/product/d7...#38;mid=M235i/

235/35/19 front and 265/30/19 rear MPS 4S tires. This setup shoehorns those tires in without rubbing. These are the only wheels that I could find to accomplish this on a stock suspension. In addition this setup yields a zero scrub radius.
The sidewall is 80mm in the front and 82mm at the rear which is like perfect.

https://www.wheel-size.com/calc/?whe...0mm&sr=0mm

https://www.wheel-size.com/calc/?whe...0mm&sr=0mm

Unless you alter the suspension, that is about the best wheel/tire setup that is possible for a stock car.
Impressive ! I stand corrected, I may have concentrated my searchs mainly on square setups and 17 inchers.
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