[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

I think a few add on carbon pieces a CS does not make. There are also chassis, steering, and engine adjustments and other tweaks done by M engineers and drivers. I think this car is going to be awesome on a track (or the right public road) for the same reasons the M3CS is. It's the sum of all the parts put together by factory trained M engineers and drivers. Ask anyone who has driven an M3 comp and M3CS. Me included. The differences are significant. Regarding cost the genuine CS hood, splitter, diffuser, and wing from BMW will cost a person over 10k before shipping and install cost. The M3 CS has a CF driveshaft as well.

I understand your foremost point, but much of the engine/steering/etc. revisions revolve around software, not a wholesale difference in parts (...in all cases). I wasn't merely just referencing CF components. I'm not deriding the M2CS. In fact I think it's a neat little car despite it not being on my short list. I'm asking out of curiosity.

P.S. With regards to your final M3CS comment, don't all recent model M3/M4's have a CF driveshaft? Mine had the CF upgrade/recall replacement performed a little over a month ago; it remains CF.

[Supadice]

In terms of pricing for the USA don't you have to subtract the VAT tax which is around 23% I think US printing with be 75-80

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I understand your foremost point, but much of the engine/steering/etc. revisions revolve around software, not a wholesale difference in parts (...in all cases). I wasn't merely just referring CF components. I'm not deriding the M2CS. In fact I think it's a neat little car despite it not being on my short list. I'm asking out of curiosity.

P.S. With regards to your final M3CS comment, don't all recent model M3/M4's have a CF driveshaft? Mine had the CF upgrade/recall replacement performed a little over a month ago.

I don't know TBH. I was under impression only CS models had carbon fiber driveshaft. There were some problems with them thus the recall then BMW went back to aluminum I thought.

Anyway... perhaps I'm a little harsh with those that think they can bolt on a few parts and download a tune and have a car that will perform as well as a factory CS. Some of that comes from not thinking it's possible, (At least without spending a wheel barrel full of cash) and part of it comes from the bashing on this forum and others us M3CS owners took over what we paid for it.... Parts bin car, not worth it, BMW ripping us off again, 20k over a comp for a few Carbon goodies OMG!! and on and on.

I knew you were not bashing the M2CS. Sorry if I came across harsh.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

I understand your foremost point, but much of the engine/steering/etc. revisions revolve around software, not a wholesale difference in parts (...in all cases). I wasn't merely just referring CF components. I'm not deriding the M2CS. In fact I think it's a neat little car despite it not being on my short list. I'm asking out of curiosity.
P.S. With regards to your final M3CS comment, don't all recent model M3/M4's have a CF driveshaft? Mine had the CF upgrade/recall replacement performed a little over a month ago.

I got it! Thanks for the response. I understand your position completely.

[ki__]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Diatribe aside, do you personally feel that the car is priced appropriately given other vehicles in the range?

Well, it has not been announced officially by BMW, but if those numbers turn out to be accurate, I would still buy an M2 CS over anything else but maybe a Porsche (if we are talking about new cars vs. new cars here which we should be otherwise what's the point?). A new GT4 seems like the obvious choice, but most people here are talking out of their ass and haven't driven one, let alone live with one. People take for granted that the M2 CS will have room for four people, that it provides the taller than average driver (like myself) to be comfortable, and the seats in the back go down for additional storage. These little things make a world of difference when you're thinking of driving the car every day, and it's not just your bedroom poster or your phone's wallpaper. After considering every day practically, one can easily make the argument that the M2 CS is the one to buy. Now a 911 is a different ball game because there is natural everyday usability to it. Maybe not as much as the M2 CS, but it is more practical than the GT4. If I were in the market for buying a new car around $100k mark right now, I would most likely spec out a base 992 Carrera instead of the M2 CS route. Even tho I would have to be very careful with my option list, to keep it hovering around $110k or so but then it is indeed more expensive, and depending on who you ask, it might be out of budget.

[williesm]

Originally Posted by ///M Performance

Such a really beautyful car BUT
here in Germany it has advanced with 95.000Euros.

Sorry guys, i'm here out. My M4individual costs this.
So many money for a little 2series -> never, no way!

A Porsche GT4 costs the same and than its a Porsche, no wannebe.

So much Money for a 2series, my m4individual costs this?!
I am not a fan of the CS, but your m4 is a 2series. Same engine, same suspension, same differential, same nav and tech.

[M3GymNut]

God I want one...

[Bimmed Out]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

God I want one...

Smart thinking. You may need God’s help to get one.

[pz619]

So based on that latest screenshot. 1650 kg is about the same as the M2 competition. Do i have this right?

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by kepler

Smart thinking. You may need God’s help to get one.

Lol.. good one.

[KevinM]

Originally Posted by JamesGames

My only gripe for these CS / GTS models are that I wish they changed more things on the motor. Bigger displacement, different internals, etc instead of just a tune. GTS sort of went that route with the water cooling, but I'd like to see something more than just a tune to make these cars more special. Sort of like the E92 GTS with its larger displacement motor.

TL;DR Welcome real M cars, please make more

I agree with you about praising rather than criticizing M for making a CS model with a MT available!

While I understand the wish for a more unique engine, with turbocharged engines the most efficient way to obtain more power is to increase the boost and provide better cooling and more robust internals that can handle it. With naturally aspirated engines, power gains require more dramatic changes.

I'm not sure the F87 platform will benefit from more power than 444 hp/406 lb-ft. Compared to my F80 ZCP (same power output obviously) I actually feel the M2C puts the power down better and feels faster. Yes, that is completely subjective, but I'm not racing, so...

[nomoracin]

I personally hope that it will cost 100k+ because then I wouldn't feel as bad getting the M2C at 60k...no way I would've paid 100k for a BMW!

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by pz619

So based on that latest screenshot. 1650 kg is about the same as the M2 competition. Do i have this right?

Curb weight 1625kg for manual or 3582lbs.

M2 Comp 3600, so 18lbs weight savings.

[clee1982]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

Curve weight 1625kg for manual or 3582lbs.

M2 Comp 3600, so 18lbs weight savings.

18 lb...

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Chapman1977

Got an info today [Sep 9, 2019] by somebody high up at BMW that we're gonna be looking at around 95k € base which would prove your point Artemis - caught me off guard though I must say.
Was hoping for 80k € base.

Originally Posted by JCZ5

So now that we had 24 hours to let the unveiling sink in, I would really like to hear Artemis perspective

M2 CS (€95K) + M-DCT + a metallic body color (BSM, HS or MB) = ± €100K (Germany).

[KevinM]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

P.S. With regards to your final M3CS comment, don't all recent model M3/M4's have a CF driveshaft? Mine had the CF upgrade/recall replacement performed a little over a month ago; it remains CF.

They did up to 11/2017 production, when it was changed to steel ostensibly to accommodate the then-forthcoming particulate filters now mandated in Europe.

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...er+drive+shaft

[goku7]

Originally Posted by chris719

A small part of me wants to say you are right, but I don't think it's true. The M2 market is also already saturated. M2C sales have really slowed down and you can get nice discounts now. The market for an $80k 2 series is even smaller than the market for the M4 CS. This is a car for a tiny niche. People who want theirs right away will pay, but I think there will be bargains to be had next year.

I think BMW will not have a problem selling these. m4 cs was 1000 units and produced over 2 years. so everyone who wanted one got theirs the first year and second year the cars sat on the lot. with just 500 to the states and only one year of production they will be gone no problem. unless there is a recession like 2008.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by KevinM

They did up to 11/2017 production, when it was changed to steel ostensibly to accommodate the then-forthcoming particulate filters now mandated in Europe.

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...er+drive+shaft

That makes sense. My current M4 is a '17 (...Oct. '16 delivery), so that must be why I still have a CF driveshaft.

[goku7]

Originally Posted by Artemis

M2 CS (€95K) + M-DCT + a metallic body color (BSM, HS or MB) = ± €100K (Germany).

€100K so that's like $110k usd ? that's twice the price of m2c ?!

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by goku7

€100K so that's like $110k usd ? that's twice the price of m2c ?!

Keep in mind it's not always direct conversion to $USD. Typically, vehicles in the US cost a lot less. Sure the M2CS will be high, but not sure it will start that high...

Then again, who really knows until the announcement

[bimmer456]

Video of M2 CS cold start sounds.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

Video of M2 CS cold start sounds.

I really dislike revving videos. The car doesn't sound great. I much prefer the sounds while under load.