[GimmeanM]

Originally Posted by akkando

I wish it was lighter. Let's start with battery, seats, CF drive shaft, brakes and rotors. Would throw out the adaptive suspension for fixed too if it had meaningful weight savings.

Fair enough, and not saying you are the culprit of the complaining that I mention. However, if a Lithium Ion battery, CF driveshaft and carbon buckets came, (CCB's already on offer) how much weight would that realistically save?
M2CS weight is claimed at 1,551kg. Would 1,525kg have stopped all of the complaining?

[GimmeanM]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

It seems you guys are completely missing what ///M cars are about, particularly the M2/3/4. Thinking that a car with the rear seats replaced with a roll cage and a fire extinguisher is primarily for street use . Since the onset of the E30 M3, these cars have always been intended as a dual use cars: practical daily drivers and track toys. It is that design intent that got me in my first M3 in 2001 and what keeps me coming back. And I have all used them exactly for that intent.

With the latest generations of M2/3/4, BMW is just offering different degrees of that dual use:

• Base: Daily use with occasional track use
• Competition: Daily use with enhanced track performance
• CS: Daily use with more track focus
• CSL (replaces GTS): Mainly track use but still road legal/useable.

There is official BMW press info to that effect, I just need to find it.

Agree, and was trying to find that BMW press release as well. My point is that people are complaining that it's not a track car. It's not supposed to be a track car. It's supposed to be a street car that you can take to the track every now and then and enjoy.

Said another way; we complain that it's not track focused or special enough, yet as Poochie said you have to pay to play. You want a stripped out interior, CF fixed buckets, roll cage, coil-overs, no radio, no AC, etc to get to 1,400kg then you can't complain when the daily drive breaks your back and makes your ears bleed.

[///AVM]

So, as to point of my rant. . .

I suspect adaptive suspension is a favorable feature for daily/spirited driving in the wild, where the CS is intended for use. Who could complain about a better ride/handling?

The carbon fiber bits are pretty, and many/most M2C owners have shown they like to 'pretty things up' with such mods. Cool, the CS gets more 'eye candy' that is popular at this time.

The slight increase in hp is useless in the wild; add access to 25 ft/lb more torque and that would be meaningful; it would add to the 'fun factor' in a meaningful way in the wild. Probably would need to beef up the tire size to support 'more' torque?

2200, or so, M2CS going to be released into the wild worldwide. As established, lots of sportsmen willing to pay the $25K tax to shoot the M2CS over the M2C. No problem here. Enjoy!

///AVM

[chrisfortier]

Anyone in the US have a dealer with M2 CS allocation or details on when it will become available?

I have my deposit details in for the first in line with my dealer, but they won't process until they have an allocation and that seems to be tied towards SOP, which seems to be March?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

With the latest generations of M2/3/4, BMW is just offering different degrees of that dual use:

• Base: Daily use with occasional track use
• Competition: Daily use with enhanced track performance
• CS: Daily use with more track focus
• CSL (replaces GTS): Mainly track use but still road legal/useable.

There is official BMW press info to that effect, I just need to find it.

[Poochie]

Some of your guys are true ballers, to put a deposit and commit to a vehicle before it's even announced publicly, which leaves you no leverage to negotiate the price because the dealer already know they have you by the balls.

It must feel good to be king

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Some of your guys are true ballers, to put a deposit and commit to a vehicle before it's even announced publicly, which leaves you no leverage to negotiate the price because the dealer already know they have you by the balls.

It must feel good to be king

Feel free to skip to the final lyric

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Some of your guys are true ballers, to put a deposit and commit to a vehicle before it's even announced publicly, which leaves you no leverage to negotiate the price because the dealer already know they have you by the balls.

Many of us basically did the same thing by buying the M2 without a test drive due to scarcity. You most likely did as well with your first MY. The multitude of reviews were through the roof. The M235i was also very well received by most. I'd say there's a <1% chance that the CS will get lambasted by journalists so there's no risk at committing to the purchase prior to release. it's sure to be a superior driver's car As compared to the M2C. As far as negotiating leverage is concerned, I don't foresee any dealer charging a dime under MSRP so that's risk-free as well.

[Mr Pete]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

Feel free to skip to the final lyric

Lol exact same song I thought of

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Stage IV

Many of us basically did the same thing by buying the M2 without a test drive due to scarcity. You most likely did as well with your first MY. The multitude of reviews were through the roof. The M235i was also very well received by most. I'd say there's a <1% chance that the CS will get lambasted by journalists so there's no risk at committing to the purchase prior to release. it's sure to be a superior driver's car As compared to the M2C. As far as negotiating leverage is concerned, I don't foresee any dealer charging a dime under MSRP so that's risk-free as well.

I'm well aware of the exorbitant mark-ups the original M2 commandeered in early 2016.

My dealer in NJ had one on the showroom floor, with just a few cosmetic pieces for $65,000.. As if..

Auto dealers pounce on your enthusiasm. This is why when you go to pick up the vehicle, they temp you by letting you view it first before you even start signing the paperwork, in attempt to build up euphoria.

Most consumers would give in to any absurd demand because they really want the car and feel like the dealer is actually doing them a favor, so in turn they feel they need to reciprocate by give them all their money, without hesitation.

I've gotten my best deals by playing hard to get and letting them know that it's just a car to me and if I don't like the terms, the next dealer is only a few miles away, so I'm walking..

A consumer that gives the dealer a commitment before the vehicle is even in existence assures them that they have you hook, line and sinker.

I could go on but I think you get my drift..

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Except they won't warranty things that break on the race track, correct?

[medphysdave]

My SA said they encourage track use and cover items under warranty. Track use was defined as HPDE, so not real racing. Enthusiast track use

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

My SA said they encourage track use and cover items under warranty. Track use was defined as HPDE, so not real racing. Enthusiast track use

Dave

If I were to attend a track for a few enthusiastic laps, I suspect the only sign that I had been there would be some precocious brake pad wear.

I know you know this, but as I stated before, I am talking about competitive/advanced track usage, which I hope nobody considers in-keeping with the occasional enthusiastic lap(s) around a track.

It seems that if you buy a car air freshener there is a statement about how the product is considered to potential cancer risk in the state California. Liability statement.

Perhaps the statement by BMW that a particular vehicle is not intended for track use is more of a liability statement than a warranty statement? Of course, I could be wrong.

///AVM

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by akkando

Except they won't warranty things that break on the race track, correct?

I've tracked all of my four ///Ms since 2001 and never had issues getting the warranty honored. BMW even goodwilled some repairs for me after the warranty was over on my E46 and E92.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I've tracked all of my four ///Ms since 2001 and never had issues getting the warranty honored. BMW even goodwilled some repairs for me after the warranty was over on my E46 and E92.

That's not surprising; with an M car or CS, I don't believe BMW assumes you're going to drive it like an old lady; there is certain expectation that it might be driven hard.

All things consider, as long as you keep the car generally stock and not use it for any competitive racing, the warranty would remain intact, even if driven on a racetrack.

One would assume..

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Poochie

That's not surprising; with an M car or CS, I don't believe BMW assumes you're going to drive it like an old lady; there is certain expectation that it might be driven hard.
All things consider, as long as you keep the car generally stock and not use it for any competitive racing, the warranty would remain intact, even if driven on a racetrack.
One would assume..

OK, let's check whether official F87 pictures only show city street pictures:

Official presentation picture of the base M2:


Official presentation picture of the M2 Competition:


Official presentation picture of the M2 CS:

[AlpsRider]

👏👏👏

A friend if mine posted a video of a BMWCCA Autocross event. In front of him at the starting line was a Pinto! Cars don't need any pedigree to go to the track. It's called fun.

[positiveions]

Originally Posted by Artemis

OK, let's check whether official F87 pictures only show city street pictures:

Official presentation picture of the base M2:

If I have room to adopt all 3 in those colors I would

[JCZ5]

So anyone else notice that there were no changes to the climate controls in the M2CS vs. M2C?

Previously from the M4C to M4CS, the temperature adjuster was only single zone and can be adjusted on the knob by increments of 5 degrees shown around the knob.

Just thought this was interesting and I'm all for automatic two-zone climate to remain. My question now is if the Alcantara wheel comes with heating?

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

So anyone else notice that there were no changes to the climate controls in the M2CS vs. M2C?

Previously from the M4C to M4CS, the temperature adjuster was only single zone and can be adjusted on the knob by increments of 5 degrees shown around the knob.

Just thought this was interesting and I'm all for automatic two-zone climate to remain. My question now is if the Alcantara wheel comes with heating?

That's good news to me if the two some remains. My wife and I like considerably different temperatures. Single zone will mean I'm always uncomfortable.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

So anyone else notice that there were no changes to the climate controls in the M2CS vs. M2C?
Previously from the M4C to M4CS, the temperature adjuster was only single zone and can be adjusted on the knob by increments of 5 degrees shown around the knob.
Just thought this was interesting and I'm all for automatic two-zone climate to remain. My question now is if the Alcantara wheel comes with heating?

Airco of the M2 CS is not the one of the M2 Competition, but the one of the M4 CS. Comparison:

Base M2:


M2 Competition:


M2 CS:


M4 CS:

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Airco of the M2 CS is not the one of the M2 Competition, but the one of the M4 CS. Comparison:

Base M2:
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M2 Competition:
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M2 CS:
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M4 CS:
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That is what I thought. However, if you see the M2CS that was presented at the LA auto show, it did not have single zone.

See video at 2:56