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      03-14-2019, 06:11 PM   #23
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That’s like comparing a 911 Turbo to the M2 except in the opposite direction. Supra is a detuned coupe version of the Z4. It’s a half a notch up from the 86.
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      03-14-2019, 06:14 PM   #24
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The front of the new Z4, err I mean Supra, is ugly AF. Also it only comes in an auto. Not even a DCT. If it came in a DCT I would consider it. But ultimately, I'm sticking with my M2C order unless something crazy happens.
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Well the Acura is almost 3x the cost and the GTR is over 2x the cost. It's like putting an M2C next to an AMG GT R and a Porsche GT3 RS and laughing at the M2C. Not really funny unless you are talking about how pathetic the sales of the NSX (sold only 170 all of 2018) and GTR (sold just over 500 in 2018) are then it's funny. Supra will outsell both of those combined in a matter of months.

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      03-15-2019, 09:03 AM   #26
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Sounds like a real sports car to me. Most of them now have no back seat and no manual. Not that I’m celebrating the loss of the manuals. Just saying. There is a fundamental difference between a sports car and a GT car. It’s in seating position, shape, and feedback. I spent a short time in an i8 and I can tell you that despite it being a relatively slow car it is actually a true sports car. So, I think this Supra will disappoint but it’s definitely more of a pure sports car than any 2 series variant.

I think the previous Supra was the most overrated car in recent automotive history, too. It drove worse than an E36 M3 and the engine only made huge power with significant modifications. People think they were making 1000hp stock and that just wasn’t the case.

This chassis is showing good results with the vanilla version cars. A Z4M or GR Supra could be a really fantastic sports car.
430-450 whp from a 3L straight 6 with a few basic boltons and tune in 1994 is pretty damn good. That's what the S55 is making 2 decades later.
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430-450 whp from a 3L straight 6 with a few basic boltons and tune in 1994 is pretty damn good. That's what the S55 is making 2 decades later.
Peak power, yes, but area under the curve probably not so hot on the 2JZ.
Also the lag.
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      03-16-2019, 01:56 PM   #28
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Supra doesn't come with the right amount of pedals.

The decision is easy.
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I like the look of the Supra. However, if I get one, I would definitely utilize a BMW LP holder for the LP.
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Decent value, Supra msrp is about the same as the 4-banger Z4.
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Decent value, Supra msrp is about the same as the 4-banger Z4.
Exactly. Why not get a decently priced BMW - just happens to have a Supra body and Toyota badge. I'll take a gray one.
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Exactly. Why not get a decently priced BMW - just happens to have a Supra body and Toyota badge. I'll take a gray one.
Warranty probably better too.

It’s tough for me though. Price is going to come close to M2C. Different category car, yes. It would be a home run if it had the 385hp variant and a stick.
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I’d take one in Nitro Yellow, which is actually BMW Atacama Yellow.
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I’d take one in Nitro Yellow, which is actually BMW Atacama Yellow.
hmmmm, Nitro Yellow with black wheels! Fox Alpha!!
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ZF 8spd is a little bit dull. Similar as M5/Giulia QV uses?

Interior gauges are ugly and the infotainment screen still sticks out like in 2010.

Other than that I find it pretty cool. Long hood and a hatch! I also find that having only 2 seats is a plus

Would I take it over M2? Probably not as base Cayman is similar in price. I can live with the sound of 718.
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ZF 8spd is a little bit dull. Similar as M5/Giulia QV uses?

Interior gauges are ugly and the infotainment screen still sticks out like in 2010.

Other than that I find it pretty cool. Long hood and a hatch! I also find that having only 2 seats is a plus

Would I take it over M2? Probably not as base Cayman is similar in price. I can live with the sound of 718.
Unfortunately it's going to be all ZF 8-speeds going forward for all BMW products so we just have to accept that. It's not a bad transmission and for the masses may be a better automatic for those that use it as a commuter. That said I'm kind of disappointed that the next M2 and M3/M4 will not have a proper DCT alternative to the 6-speed manual.
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I'll most likely be picking one up later this year to go along with the M2C. I have a BRZ that needs replacement. Can compare then.
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Supra doesn't come with the right amount of pedals.

The decision is easy.
This. I just don't understand the logic of not offering a manual on something that's supposed to be a sports car.

The automatic is faster? Great. What's the point of going fast again? Oh yeah, because its fun. The ultimate objective is fun, not speed, when it comes to sports cars.

(Supercars are another matter, i get why the latest and greatest Mclarens ferraris and lambos only come fast shifting paddle gearboxes, like it or not, those cars are sold to people with impressive acceleration numbers and N-ring laptimes.)

And i get why you'd OFFER a sports car with an auto or a DCT, some people will use the car for commuting, some people can't drive stick and some people even genuinely think that the latest DCT is more fun and engaging (i don't understand HOW They can think that, but i'm not here to judge)

But not even offering the option to have a shortcut to smile town is just bizarre to me on a sports car. I couldn't be more disappointed with Toyota as a former Toyota owner.
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Supra doesn't come with the right amount of pedals.

The decision is easy.
This. I just don't understand the logic of not offering a manual on something that's supposed to be a sports car.

The automatic is faster? Great. What's the point of going fast again? Oh yeah, because its fun. The ultimate objective is fun, not speed, when it comes to sports cars.

(Supercars are another matter, i get why the latest and greatest Mclarens ferraris and lambos only come fast shifting paddle gearboxes, like it or not, those cars are sold to people with impressive acceleration numbers and N-ring laptimes.)

And i get why you'd OFFER a sports car with an auto or a DCT, some people will use the car for commuting, some people can't drive stick and some people even genuinely think that the latest DCT is more fun and engaging (i don't understand HOW They can think that, but i'm not here to judge)

But not even offering the option to have a shortcut to smile town is just bizarre to me on a sports car. I couldn't be more disappointed with Toyota as a former Toyota owner.
I feel like you are missing a whole demographic of DCT drivers.... those who want to get the best times at the track and AutoX possible....
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I feel like you are missing a whole demographic of DCT drivers.... those who want to get the best times at the track and AutoX possible....
Sure, and i'm not advocating taking away the DCT from those people by any means.

I'm just saying if the primary stated mission of your vehicle is "fun" you should probably at least offer the more entertaining/engaging choice of transmission.
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Sure, and i'm not advocating taking away the DCT from those people by any means.

I'm just saying if the primary stated mission of your vehicle is "fun" you should probably at least offer the more entertaining/engaging choice of transmission.
I agree. I would much rather the DCT in this car than the ZF8. I know the ZF has come a long way and is close to DCT performance but you still see lots of reviews with the ZF where the transmission gets confused and is slow to respond at times. I think it's a bad move because I would take a DCT over a manual any day of the week but if it's between a manual and a ZF I'm not so sure as it's just not a sports car transmission.
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Should put price on this picture to make a bit not as bad...
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ZF 8spd is a little bit dull. Similar as M5/Giulia QV uses?

Interior gauges are ugly and the infotainment screen still sticks out like in 2010.

Other than that I find it pretty cool. Long hood and a hatch! I also find that having only 2 seats is a plus

Would I take it over M2? Probably not as base Cayman is similar in price. I can live with the sound of 718.
Unfortunately it's going to be all ZF 8-speeds going forward for all BMW products so we just have to accept that. It's not a bad transmission and for the masses may be a better automatic for those that use it as a commuter. That said I'm kind of disappointed that the next M2 and M3/M4 will not have a proper DCT alternative to the 6-speed manual.
Never personally drove a M5, but every review said the ZF is surprisingly just as good
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