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03-09-2019, 01:45 AM | #90 | |
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You are absolutely right. BMW is a “look at me” car. They are damn good looking too. Aerodynamic, sleek, beautiful lines with an aggressive stance. Kinda like an athlete wearing an Armani suit about to run the 100m dash. The Type R is something out of “Wacky Races” that Dastardly and Muttley would ride in with missile launchers and oil slick at their disposal. Just to let you know I absolutely love that show. One thing that you were keen to point out is there are consumers ( drivers ) out there who are concerned about their outward appearance. Most people outside Japan need their cars to drive to work. The thing I like about the Type R is that it’s styling is a break away from the norm. I believe the individual that buys a Type R ( especially the FK8 ) doesn’t give one s%$# what people think of the driver or his car. That individual is too busy having fun. I, like many other FK8 owners, want separation from company and private life. If you judge a book by it’s cover, shame on you. You would be amiss if you thought the CTR was just a teenage racing machine. It is super practical and Honda would just blow you away with that. Forget where I saw it but somebody put a 60in TV in the back. Dustin Williams loaded that boot area up with 19in wheels and tires. They call that thing the FWD Nurburgring champ? To each his own but I think you should never buy a car that suits the expectations of those who view you. It’s just too much money and it’s supposed to be your car. On the other hand, it’s nice that BMWs look so damn formal that they fit any anywhere. |
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03-09-2019, 11:42 AM | #91 |
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Bold statement or not, it's an ugly monstrosity of a car... While I love cars that perform well (and there's no doubt that it does), I also like cars that are visually appealing, which the Type R is not in any way shape or form.
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03-09-2019, 12:27 PM | #92 |
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Each to their own but for me personally it's the FWD that kills the fun for me.
I'm doing driftdays 3-4 times a year since >10 years and I just love front the engine rwd+ lsd. It's playful every time. FWD been there done that when i was in my 20s, lift oversteer on ramps and the lot. Not fun anymore sorry. Cheers Robin |
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Perhaps you should offer the opposite side of this debate. With all the money you are going to spend on a Honda you should just go out and buy a BMW. Save the rest of your money. That’s more of a victory. |
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Not my cup of tea at all but it’s an impressive vehicle.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/honda-...on-121324.html That is moving! Best I’ve got around there is a 2:30.6 in my M4. That was full on. Albeit in the safety of Gran Turismo. |
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06-03-2019, 03:32 PM | #99 |
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Ok, I can admit that I'm a little annoyed that a car that is far cheaper may be (at least by some metrics) as fast or faster than my M2C. I can admit that my ego might cause me to feel defensive or to make some disparaging comments under my breath when I see a CTR on the street. I think that's a perfectly normal reaction. The money spent for the M2C is not insignificant so it's normal to feel defensive on that expenditure.
Still, the CTR is not for me but I certainly wouldn't begrudge anyone who jumps at that price to performance proposition that Honda has presented.
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It's a really good car and an impressive feat from Honda as they have managed to mask the inherent weaknesses of FWD and create a car that performs much better than it should. At the end of the day it's still a FWD car based on a Civic so while I respect what it can do on a track it's simply not the setup I want in a daily driver at this stage of my life.
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Even if it's only faster by way of track prepping, it's still a car that is threatening to an M2C owner because it's a performance bargain in what is car that is capable of at least 80% of the M2Cs performance at a fraction of the price. People might also feel threatened by the fact that it's a critical darling. However, one could also argue that the M2C offers a shit ton of bang for the buck and is also a critical darling.
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I've run across a few Civic Type R's on the track in the last few months that I have started tracking. Despite their looks (just not for me...) I think its awesome that a manufacturer builds a car with this much performance at this price point. So I have been excited to see what they can do when I've seen them - but unfortunately somewhat let down each time. None of them that I have come across have had much pace on the track. This could certainly be anything legit like the drivers just not wanting to push that hard or something else - just saying it would be cool to see one get thrown around the track like the numbers say they can be.
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06-05-2019, 08:18 AM | #106 |
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The Civic Type R is an overachiever. It's a Civic that is better than any Civic has a right to be but a lot of fans of the car seem to think that enthusiasts should be in awe and lust for it. It doesn't work that way as while it ticks boxes in some performance categories it falls short in several other categories such as styling, FWD, build quality, tech, etc.
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