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not really comparable cars, IMO. If you are cross shopping a Camaro and an M2 you should probably just get the Camaro.
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The only problem I have with these cars is just how big they are. That ruins the fun for me. I sat in a new Mustang GT and didn't even bother test driving it. Doesn't make sense that a car can be so physically big on the outside, but can't comfortably carry 4 people. I have 0 doubt that the higher spec cars will run circles around the M2. The one American made product that might somewhat interest me would be the Focus RS. Small, powerful and a hooligan.
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05-17-2015, 01:06 PM | #26 |
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What's the price of the Camaro ? If you could get in a loaded SS for $40Kish it would be worth a look.
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05-17-2015, 02:06 PM | #27 |
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The length is the problem, it's 188" long which is 6" longer than a 4 Series and 16" longer than a 2 series. To me the 4 series is too big.
The side window coffin slots are a turn off, this was the biggest fail of the last Camaro in looks as well as looking like a Transformer.
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05-18-2015, 03:24 PM | #29 |
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My past experience with GM cars is that those show well in photos but not in real life. Finish and quality is lacking compared to its European competitor. I'll wait and see.
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05-18-2015, 11:19 PM | #32 |
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I am open to cars of different makes and models if I am cross-shopping, but getting the Camaro over an M2...oh boy, that would be a huge regret for me on so many levels.
Now if we moved up to the next step in the Chevy sports car line...then we are talking. Performance is what we are all after; however, driving a car for me needs to appeal to all the senses. GM interiors just don't cut it vs BMW. This hasn't changed in like...forever. It won't change now and probably will never change in our lifetime (if GM still exists). Last edited by csbear; 05-18-2015 at 11:25 PM.. |
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05-19-2015, 05:17 AM | #35 |
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Why is this even in the 2 series forum? That thing is as big as a bus, better off having this in the M4 forum, people are looking at the M2 because of it's size and this monstrosity looks huge and has no class at all
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05-19-2015, 09:14 AM | #36 | |
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This is a Motor Trend comparo. Two wildly different cars that only share the same number of doors and drive wheels. Let's just cut to the chase and do a Motor Trend punt and call them both Winners. Seriously.... Chevrolet has no M2 competitor. Just this morning, I saw an article from Autoweek lamenting that Chevrolet has no small rear drive sports car and the article referenced the Code 130 R concept car from them. That as yet unannounced car would be an actual M2 competitor... not the Camaro. See photos from Car and Driver http://www.caranddriver.com/photo-ga...-concepts-news Last edited by M3 Adjuster; 05-19-2015 at 10:54 AM.. |
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Lol no contest. The Camaro has terrible sight lines especially for someone as tall as me. The cabin is cheap and uncomfortable. The trunk is useless.
V8s are great but the over all package isn't worthy of my time. |
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05-19-2015, 01:49 PM | #38 |
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I've owned one new Camaro in my life, it was a 1982 purchased and actually built in Cincinnati, OH. On the way home from the dealership on the interstate maybe 3-4 miles the entire manual transmission gear shift came off the floor and I was unable to do anything except almost get killed. This along with a couple of POS Fiero's, Olds etc and I was done with GM forever. Now they just kill people with bad ignition switches instead of gear shifters.
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I had an SS Camaro rental for about a week (5th gen). I was pleasantly surprised at how fun that car was. The only problem for me (and this is nothing against the car necessarily) is that it was just too large of a car for my likes.
You definitely felt its size, and how heavy it felt. Even the 235 isn't necessarily a lightweight, it carries it well. I would definitely pick the M2 out of those choices, but that's not based on performance etc. More on looks/personal preference. If I didn't mind the larger cars, how could you not like the bargain performance of the Camaro? |
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Long gone are the days when the pony cars were good at smoking tires and not much else. An SS with 1LE for ~$40k may well match/beat the M cars in any metric you choose. The 6th gen Camaro interior actually looks quite good; very sporty without being cheesy like the Mustang. And of course Chevy offers luxury features that aren't available on the M2/3/4, like ventilated seats.
The biggest thing the Camaro has going for it is that it actually has an identity; you know it's about a big V8 that makes loud, mean noises. I love BMWs, but I don't even know what their identity is anymore. It can't be "The Ultimate Driving Machine", since BMW has eschewed many of the things actual driving enthusiasts care about (steering feel, communicative chassis, engine noise, etc). They are in some odd middle ground between Mercedes and Porsche; not as luxurious as a Merc, and not nearly as involving as a Porsche. I will seriously shop both when my lease is up. |
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The 2 series on the other hand, is exactly what BMW has been good at doing. The M2 even more so. I just have no interest in pony cars. They're all just far too big. I already have an E92 M3, and that already feels like a GT car. I will admit that they do have a lot of personality and charm (not to mention value for money), but it's just not quite what I'm looking for.
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Vs M2? No comparison because one is large and the other is small. I want small and I've already spoken with my wallet and went with 2 series.
Vs M4? I think it would be a pretty tough sell to get me to go with an M4 over a Camaro when you look at the price difference, but I'm more interested in the drive than the prestige. The new Camaro should be a blast and actually has the inside and outside looks to back it up. It's just too big - same problem the M4 has. |
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