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      02-18-2021, 07:07 AM   #45
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Sooo...just buy an m2 comp and save 30%.
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I think I'm going to get yelled at, but you can save yourself a ton of money and just get an E92 M3.

Yes of course, it's slower. Older. Heavier, though not by much.

I say this more because of all the comments I'm reading all over. "Instant classic" or "I won't track mine, so special". That's fine, I totally get it. But if it's a special back road driving machine you want, isn't an E92, or 46, a better investment?

Steering feel is better. Engine is more special. Samesies for 6-speeds, they both have the same BMW rubber feel.

I wouldn't kick a CS out of bed. I just think this price has gotten out of hand.
I'm sure you can name 20 other used cars that are half the cost and will be as much fun to drive. Literally any used car is a "better investment" than a new BMW. Personally, if it was only about saving money and having fun, I would have kept my nearly paid off M4. Much more low end torque and more fun on the streets than my E92 M3. And my new M2 CS isn't $85k more fun than my 2018 M4. So obviously it isn't only about the money.
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But I don't want an M2C. I want the best.
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Sooo...just buy an m2 comp and save 30%.
And not have what I want. So no, definitely not.
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I'm sure you can name 20 other used cars that are half the cost and will be as much fun to drive. Literally any used car is a "better investment" than a new BMW. Personally, if it was only about saving money and having fun, I would have kept my nearly paid off M4. Much more low end torque and more fun on the streets than my E92 M3. And my new M2 CS isn't $85k more fun than my 2018 M4. So obviously it isn't only about the money.
Years back I got the chance/financials to finally start renting some supercars on track, and ended up doing that more than a dozen times with different organizations at tracks all over the place. After I did it the first time and drove a Gallardo, R8, and GTR all in a day my wife asked if I wanted one [supercar] now - she was afraid given my car nuttery. My answer shocked her. I said "Nope. Never now that I've driven some". That answer has remained true after driving many different ones. The only ones I hedge on that a little bit is the 570S and the Huracan Performante.

The reason - every one of the supercars was so high in performance that at low speeds they were not very interesting. So you had to push them hard to get them to be lively, or run out the engines to get the personalities to come out. So you either are doing dangerous and illegal things on the street, or running them at the track to do so. You end up with all this money wrapped up in a car that has little opportunity to actually be used to its full potential, AND there are cars that actually do the track side of things better and more easily maintained for the track. So it became an utterly "what's the point" aspect outside of the fashion and attention and "I can afford it" aspect that goes with the cars.

Porsche and BMW have nailed the formula for tons of quality, performance, day to day usability, and track capability. There's a lot on the spectrum below it, and there are a lot of amazing cars. From Miata to GT2RS and everything in between... love them all for what they are. The CS is one of a number of really unique and special cars to be happy it exists alongside plenty of great other ///M's, P-Cars, Mustang, Camaro's, Miata's and more.
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Sooo...just buy an m2 comp and save 30%.
But I don't want an M2C. I want the best.

I think it must be covid-19 affecting some people's understanding of the English language;





WE ALL BOUGHT THE M2 CS BEEEE'CAUSE WE WANTED A M2 CS, SOME EVEN BOUGHT TWO, BEEEE'CAUSE THEY WANTED TWO M2 CSs, but why I hears you ask

FOR THE SAME REASON DOGS LICK THEIR ..... TOYS, CAPEESH?
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But I don't want an M2C. I want the best.
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That’s why they called the M2C(c for chubby)

Not me, all the OV guys at the time lol
I'm not sure what adjective to use for the G80 M3...gaining hundreds of pounds, knocking the door of 4000 lbs, but interestingly, the market for that massive car doesn't seem to care really. How times have changed and quickly too.
That's because all it's competition was already at 4,000 lbs and will all be AWD with automatic transmissions as well.

In 5 years everything will be 4500 lb electrics and everyone will just complain more but that's not going to change anything.

Best bet is to buy a used car of whatever spec you think a car should be because things won't improve on the weight and size part...
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That's because all it's competition was already at 4,000 lbs and will all be AWD with automatic transmissions as well.

In 5 years everything will be 4500 lb electrics and everyone will just complain more but that's not going to change anything.

Best bet is to buy a used car of whatever spec you think a car should be because things won't improve on the weight and size part...
My comment was more directed at what the "M3 market" has become versus the reasons why BMW is building the G80. Today's market is so far divorced from the past that the reason for an M3 in the first place has long since been lost....which of course is one reason the M2 has been so successful and the reason my wife wanted to buy the M2C and with 6MT. It won't be long before having a manual in a car with the M2C/CS performance coupled with its size (smaller than E46 M3 by a tad) will just be a memory as you point out.
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In 5 years everything will be 4500 lb electrics and everyone will just complain more but that's not going to change anything.

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You know what IS going to change in 5 years?

All the people who dismiss the M2 CS today, they'll change.

They'll change, because in 5 years' time they'll realise how 2200 or so individuals predicted the future when ordering their M2 CS way back in 2020, or even earlier, believing in their gut that the M2 CS would live to be recognised as the last of the greatest fun sports motoring pedigrees of all time

..... and they got to drive them from brand new

I guess that makes the M2 CS a true BORN AGAIN!
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In 5 years everything will be 4500 lb electrics and everyone will just complain more but that's not going to change anything.

...
You know what IS going to change in 5 years?

All the people who dismiss the M2 CS today, they'll change.

They'll change, because in 5 years' time they'll realise how 2200 or so individuals predicted the future when ordering their M2 CS way back in 2020, or even earlier, believing in their gut that the M2 CS would live to be recognised as the last of the greatest fun sports motoring pedigree of all time

..... and they got to drive them from brand new

I guess that makes the M2 CS a true BORN AGAIN!
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In 5 years everything will be 4500 lb electrics and everyone will just complain more but that's not going to change anything.

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You know what IS going to change in 5 years?

All the people who dismiss the M2 CS today, they'll change.

They'll change, because in 5 years' time they'll realise how 2200 or so individuals predicted the future when ordering their M2 CS way back in 2020, or even earlier, believing in their gut that the M2 CS would live to be recognised as the last of the greatest fun sports motoring pedigree of all time

..... and they got to drive them from brand new

I guess that makes the M2 CS a true BORN AGAIN!
I hope that will apply to the M5 CS as well!!
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I doubt most M2 CS's will be daily driven, but you sure as hell can't daily an E92 M3. That chassis just wasn't engineered to be remotely reliable. Bluetooth audio also crapped out on a lot of those cars as phones became more advanced.
Sure as hell can't daily an E9x M3? Since when? My brother has had his for several years now and it's his family's only car, with two child seats in the back since day one. It's been just fine, but he's smart and keeps up with required and expected maintenance. I know numerous other people who currently or used to daily an E9x M3 and I guarantee you none of them would agree with your statement there.

Whether a car can be dailied is also hugely subjective. There are people who daily drive an R32 GTR while others say that's a horrible idea. There are people who daily a Ferrari, while others say that's a horrible idea.

A good part of the whole purpose of an M car is that it can be daily driven. M cars aren't these esoteric, ultra-exotic cars that need to be kept immaculately clean at all times in climate controlled garages their whole lives, take 20 minutes to warm up, and only ever be driven on sunny warm days on fun backroads. They're year-round drivers that are meant to be able to do anything. Take them to the track, run errands, throw baby seats in the back and take the kids to daycare, go on long road trips, throw snow tires on them and drive right through a winter storm, commute with them. M cars are not dedicated, limited use sports cars.
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I think I'm going to get yelled at, but you can save yourself a ton of money and just get an E92 M3.

Yes of course, it's slower. Older. Heavier, though not by much.

I say this more because of all the comments I'm reading all over. "Instant classic" or "I won't track mine, so special". That's fine, I totally get it. But if it's a special back road driving machine you want, isn't an E92, or 46, a better investment?

Steering feel is better. Engine is more special. Samesies for 6-speeds, they both have the same BMW rubber feel.

I wouldn't kick a CS out of bed. I just think this price has gotten out of hand.
I am contemplating selling my 2013 E92 M3 for an M2 CS. My car is a super desirable spec: ZCP 6MT Cloth and no Nav. Plus only 7300 miles. I am worried I will regret it but I keep thinking about it...
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I am contemplating selling my 2013 E92 M3 for an M2 CS. My car is a super desirable spec: ZCP 6MT Cloth and no Nav. Plus only 7300 miles. I am worried I will regret it but I keep thinking about it...
You also might be in the unfortunate area where your spec / miles is a collector and v8 collectors aren't quite there yet. Trapped in the in between zone and can't drive it without regret but isn't appreciating either.

A lot of your value is tied up in the 7300 miles on the odo.
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I am contemplating selling my 2013 E92 M3 for an M2 CS. My car is a super desirable spec: ZCP 6MT Cloth and no Nav. Plus only 7300 miles. I am worried I will regret it but I keep thinking about it...
You paid for and didn't drive the E92 for a reason. Why would you bail on it now?
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I hope that will apply to the M5 CS as well!!
I don't think history is on your side. A huge (albiet fast) 4 door that's priced very high usually doesn't end well on the selling side.

I see that car as an I don't care about money car. For owners who want the ultimate 4 door sedan experience and don't care about trading it in 3 years later and losing $50 grand.

Thoughts?
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You paid for and didn't drive the E92 for a reason. Why would you bail on it now?
I would argue what good is a BMW that you probably can't drive often and isn't appreciating?

Pride of ownership maybe but the ownership experience for me would be lacking a key ingrediant.

If he is the original owner than I say yes keep it! You've come this far, take it the whole way.
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I am contemplating selling my 2013 E92 M3 for an M2 CS. My car is a super desirable spec: ZCP 6MT Cloth and no Nav. Plus only 7300 miles. I am worried I will regret it but I keep thinking about it...
You paid for and didn't drive the E92 for a reason. Why would you bail on it now?
I bought the car last year from the first owner. I first tried to secure an M2 CS allocation and pivoted after I was unsuccessful.
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I would argue what good is a BMW that you probably can't drive often and isn't appreciating?

Pride of ownership maybe but the ownership experience for me would be lacking a key ingrediant.

If he is the original owner than I say yes keep it! You've come this far, take it the whole way.
Agree... but he (assuming he's the original owner) bought the car to look at for 9 years. Might as well wait a couple more to see if the bet paid off.

Was it worth it? We all know the answer to that.

Edit: Oh you got it last year.... personally, I would sell it and try to get what I paid for it... then get a M2CS.
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You paid for and didn't drive the E92 for a reason. Why would you bail on it now?
I would argue what good is a BMW that you probably can't drive often and isn't appreciating?

Pride of ownership maybe but the ownership experience for me would be lacking a key ingrediant.

If he is the original owner than I say yes keep it! You've come this far, take it the whole way.
Good points. Love your ride by the way.
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I bought the car last year from the first owner. I first tried to secure an M2 CS allocation and pivoted after I was unsuccessful.
Keep your eye on the prize! I can see why you went after that car thou. It's an amazing find.

Belongs in a collection for sure. Maybe reach out to EAG?

Sidenote: I think I remember this car popping up....I was interested as well but delayed the purchase and it was scooped up. Wasn't it in PA or something like that? If I remember the price wasn't as high as it should have been also! You might be able to make some $$ on the sale.
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