M2C tuning advices?

justanoterm2c · 10-28-2021, 10:03 AM

Hello everyone!
First of all, im very sorry for my English, im not a native and I hope you all can understand what im saying

I've got my m2c about 4-5 month ago and now is a full stock.
I want to start tune it to increase a power up to 500-600hp max.
Ordered a full Akrapovic exhaust system already.
My next step is:
1. Eventuri intake
2. CSF intercooler + charge air cooler

Any advices where should I go?
All thoughts are welcome. This is my first BMW and first "project" as well.
Thanks everyone for a help.

and few pics of my car.

Enabled · 10-28-2021, 12:02 PM

We would need more info about the car, as there are a few variables you'll have to consider.

The intake and the intercooler upgrades won't really add much, but many owners like the look so they will be fine. The relatively stock system will handle your power desires just fine.

Depending on your location, there may or may not be good tuners around. Depending on the car's production date, it may be easy or very difficult to get a tune.

Your pictures do not show up.

Welcome!

justanoterm2c · 10-28-2021, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enabled

We would need more info about the car, as there are a few variables you'll have to consider.

The intake and the intercooler upgrades won't really add much, but many owners like the look so they will be fine. The relatively stock system will handle your power desires just fine.

Depending on your location, there may or may not be good tuners around. Depending on the car's production date, it may be easy or very difficult to get a tune.

Your pictures do not show up.

Welcome!

Thanks for your reply.
Yes, true. Just posted pics for fun.

Anyways its 2021 M2 Competition DCT.
Im pretty sure that intake system and intecooler won't give me hp im looking for, just was afraid that stock systems can't handle such power. And yes, I love how it looks like haha.

Enabled · 10-28-2021, 12:25 PM

The year of that car is going to be the biggest issue. ECUs in this car produced after 06/2020 have a new security in them (from Bosch) to prevent tuning both on bench and through OBD.

Enabled · 10-28-2021, 06:05 PM

I can see the pictures now, it's a very shiny beautiful car!

justanoterm2c · 10-28-2021, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enabled

The year of that car is going to be the biggest issue. ECUs in this car produced after 06/2020 have a new security in them (from Bosch) to prevent tuning both on bench and through OBD.

Thank you for information.
Anyways im not about to only do a chip tuning. I want to change parts to make car faster haha, and here im trying to ask what should i change first and why

but anyways stage 2 (or so) will be needed if i understand information i found in web right.

AlpsRider · 10-28-2021, 09:04 PM

AFAIK, currently the only tune for that year model M2C is a piggyback tune like JB4. They haven't cracked the ECU security to use flash tunes yet.

akkando · 10-29-2021, 01:49 AM

You can get an old DME and tune the car or a piggy back like jb4. Or you can trade your car for a 2019 that can be tuned.

You won't need the intakes or the intercooler. Just take out the charcoal filters and get catless downpipes.

justanoterm2c · 10-29-2021, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by akkando

You can get an old DME and tune the car or a piggy back like jb4. Or you can trade your car for a 2019 that can be tuned.

You won't need the intakes or the intercooler. Just take out the charcoal filters and get catless downpipes.

Will be a bit weird for me to change 2021 brand new car to some 2019 one

Anyways, I wonder how ppl get new G82 cracked, but still can't do F87.

Enabled · 10-29-2021, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by justanoterm2c

Will be a bit weird for me to change 2021 brand new car to some 2019 one

Anyways, I wonder how ppl get new G82 cracked, but still can't do F87.

Different generation of ECU, different processor, and more market share for the new Bosch MG1/MGD1 ecu (all new petrol and diesel vehicles offered by BMW currently). The M2C/CS was one of the only BMWs to use the MEVD172G up into 2021.

justanoterm2c · 10-29-2021, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Enabled

Different generation of ECU, different processor, and more market share for the new Bosch MG1/MGD1 ecu (all new petrol and diesel vehicles offered by BMW currently). The M2C/CS was one of the only BMWs to use the MEVD172G up into 2021.

Understood. Okay, thanks for the information.

Still waiting for other suggestions

TheoIam · 10-29-2021, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Enabled

Different generation of ECU, different processor, and more market share for the new Bosch MG1/MGD1 ecu (all new petrol and diesel vehicles offered by BMW currently). The M2C/CS was one of the only BMWs to use the MEVD172G up into 2021.

Does that mean the S58 in the X3/4 and the M3 is currently flash able but will get the new locked DME for 2022 or does this only apply to pre 2021 X3/4?

Enabled · 10-29-2021, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TheoIam

Does that mean the S58 in the X3/4 and the M3 is currently flash able but will get the new locked DME for 2022 or does this only apply to pre 2021 X3/4?

The S58 has used the Bosch MG1 DME since the beginning, and was tunable via OBD or bench until 06/2020. After this date the hardware was locked for bench and OBD.
Then in the last few months the company Femto was the first to figure out a way to get past the bench tuning locks for MG1.

The 2021 and 2022 S58 will have the same hardware locks that will need to be bench unlocked and tuned. This is currently possible, but with some minor caveats.

(*none of this applies to the M2C with S55 and MEVD172G DME)

TheoIam · 10-29-2021, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enabled

The S58 has used the Bosch MG1 DME since the beginning, and was tunable via OBD or bench until 06/2020. After this date the hardware was locked for bench and OBD.
Then in the last few months the company Femto was the first to figure out a way to get past the bench tuning locks for MG1.

The 2021 and 2022 S58 will have the same hardware locks that will need to be bench unlocked and tuned. This is currently possible, but with some minor caveats.

(*none of this applies to the M2C with S55 and MEVD172G DME)

Wow I did not know that. I see CarBanh does not offer a tune for the S58. What tuner are most with the S58 using and what are the numbers?

What DME will the M240i come with do you think?

Enabled · 10-29-2021, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheoIam

Wow I did not know that. I see CarBanh does not offer a tune for the S58. What tuner are most with the S58 using and what are the numbers?

What DME will the M240i come with do you think?

Unsure of what tuners are doing good S58 stuff yet, honestly. Either way, the current method is to send out the S58 dme for a tune, but this has to be coordinated with a tuner that offers it.

The M240i (F22 and G42) both use variants of the Bosch MG1 ecu just like S58.

Basically B58 and S58 all use the same ecu type, even in Supra.

TheoIam · 10-29-2021, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Enabled

Unsure of what tuners are doing good S58 stuff yet, honestly. Either way, the current method is to send out the S58 dme for a tune, but this has to be coordinated with a tuner that offers it.

The M240i (F22 and G42) both use variants of the Bosch MG1 ecu just like S58.

Basically B58 and S58 all use the same ecu type, even in Supra.

So what BMW’s besides the F87 get the unlockable DME??

Man a tuned new M240i xdrive is going to smoke every version of the F87, hell it may due that stock due to the 4WD. Not that I care but just stating the obvious.

You know Matt Watson will do that drag race. =P

Enabled · 10-29-2021, 03:26 PM

All BMWs before 06/2020 had bench unlockable DMEs.

The B58 engine in the G42 is the same B58 as in the F22 M240i xdrive, so it will still only get up to around 400whp or so with a tune. The S55 is just getting started at near 400whp, and can reach mid 500whp with good tuning. Tuned M2C with decent traction get 0-60 in ~ 3.5 sec.
It's the S58 that would have strong potential.

I missed my chance to order an F22 M240i xdrive in manual. That would have been an amazing and unique car to have.

I believe the F22 would be slightly lighter too.

Levanime · 10-29-2021, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AlpsRider

AFAIK, currently the only tune for that year model M2C is a piggyback tune like JB4. They haven't cracked the ECU security to use flash tunes yet.

there is a solution to flash tune 2021 M2c
there are few already tuned

justanoterm2c · 10-30-2021, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Levanime

there is a solution to flash tune 2021 M2c
there are few already tuned

Hi! Can you share more details?

shahano · 10-30-2021, 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Levanime

there is a solution to flash tune 2021 M2c
there are few already tuned

Actually the only solution is to swap it for an older 2019 M2C DME which I am doing thank to the help of Enabled

I have called many tuning shops and they have all confirmed that the only way to tune my 2021 M2C is to swap the DME or have a piggyback (which I would never do).

The car would be exactly the same and you would not feeel any difference other than the fact that i could be tunable.

mike@x-ph.com · 10-30-2021, 11:35 AM

If your ECU is locked, get a Jb4. The most important part of the build is the tuner; it should be on the top of your mod list.

Your next mod should be charge pipes and then downpipes.

After these mods, it's time to upgrade cooling with a heat exchanger and top mount cooler before your turbo upgrade.

You can upgrade the intake at any time; the brand does not make a difference in terms of performance. Open inputs are louder (Injen, BMS, etc...), closed intakes do not add as much noise.

Emtoo · 11-01-2021, 05:13 PM

How long does everyone think it will be until the post June 2020 m2c is flash tuneable without removing the dme?

Which companies are the closest to achieving that?

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