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      11-05-2019, 06:13 AM   #221
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This is a huge missed opportunity for BMW.

They could have released a lightweight, stripped out M2 with 400hp and it would have flown off the shelves at $90k. Instead they released a 444hp car with added cosmetic stuff and gimmicky aesthetics which is essentially a modified M2C.

I realize that BMW's clientele these days aren't exactly purists who seek out minimalism; but are in fact people who just want options——however this car is a disappointment when it should have been a total champion of 'back to basics'!
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The M3CS and M4CS didn't exactly fly off the shelves...
The M2 CS will be hugging showroom floors for the next two years or so... With the massive premiums in the US and the fact that Europeans are not going to spend up to 100K on a M2, this car will be standing around in showrooms for a while.

It won't get anywhere due to it is limited nature. It is not limited enough to fuel the interest of a large group of collectors and too expensive for enthusiasts that want the ultimate M model, but are able to pick up brand new M3 and M4 CS models for 10-20K less than the M2 CS.

There are still brand new M3 / M4 CS cars parked across showrooms and dealer garages simply unsold because they were too expensive. 6 months ago I got offered a brand spanking new M4 CS for less than 90K EUR incl VAT. It was a 130K EUR car, I believe...

Also think about the fact that you can get a M2C with up to 20% off right now around dealers in Europe. Those discounts are not happening on the M2 CS initially, so why would someone get a M2 CS if he isn't a collector, has a bank account the size of an oil tanker or is absolutely mad about the car.

Don't get fooled by BMW saying they sold all 2000 pieces! This means to importers and dealers, not to customers. They are playing the same game with the new GP3, saying they sold half the bunch already. I said to MINI "To dealers yes, not to customers, and it became really silent at the other end of the conversation".

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Hmm, this pic clue-in that M2CS has autonomous driving? Car is obviously moving, yet there is no driver.

Photographer error. This is a rig shot so they're probably pushing the car, not driving it. Lol
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Not feeling that color at all on this car. Bleh and definitely not combined with gold and red on the calipers. Why oh why such a clown specification. Let's wait and see when I see it live at LAAS. I hope it looks a bit better, but I am worried my mums X2 color on a M2.

Quite amazed about some of the marketing bla bla bla in the press release info...

New differential? Some are reporting this... Not in a 1000 years. Just the same maybe recalibrated. Where can I get the software?

Three radiators, an oil cooler, two pumps in the oil pan, oil sump baffle... Doesn't the M2C have most of this already?

Transmission oil cooler (when equipped with DCT)... Isn't that standard on a M2C with DCT?

The carbon tunnel in the interior is lovely... I need one of those hahaha that is so cool.

Steel subframe bolted to the body frame without bushings... Interesting, that I can add to my car as well if it has a big impact.

Forged aluminum rear five-link suspension control arms and wheel hubs.... Also interesting to see these. Easy replacement on our M2C's.

15.75-inch vented rotors with 6-piston fixed calipers up front & 14.96-inch vented rotors with 4-piston calipers in rear.... In what way I am I reading here the exact same specs as my M sport brake kit? I have a feeling these are just our (in US stock) M Sport brakes.

Did anyone notice the exhaust? Is that the same exhaust as currently with just different end pipes?

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The subframe bolted directly to the chassis and the forged aluminum 5-link rear suspension are already a standard component of all F8X chassis (M2/3/4). Nothing new here.
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      11-05-2019, 06:30 AM   #225
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I like it.

Haven't said that for some time.
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Wife is excited for the car. I am excited for when the wheels get curbed. LOL
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Wife is excited for the car. I am excited for when the wheels get curbed. LOL
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Yawn, a standard M2C can easily be made to outperform the CS, AND I get to keep my center console storage. Thanks but no thanks BMW.

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Beautiful but why do i feel it'll be over priced and i should look for a used clean non sunroof DCT M2 Comp
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Missed opportunity. It could have been so good
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I like it too... it's a shame most people here will not be able to get one given the limited production.

They really should have offered more unique colors. I love my Long Beach Blue M2C... that color would have been great on the CS...

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This is a huge missed opportunity for BMW.

They could have released a lightweight, stripped out M2 with 400hp and it would have flown off the shelves at $90k. Instead they released a 444hp car with added cosmetic stuff and gimmicky aesthetics which is essentially a modified M2C.

I realize that BMW's clientele these days aren't exactly purists who seek out minimalism; but are in fact people who just want options——however this car is a disappointment when it should have been a total champion of 'back to basics'!
TBF only so much one can do with the inherited F20/21/22 chassis. Next gen needs Carbon Core trickling down from the very top cars.
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I thought I read somewhere months ago that the M Performance Exhaust was standard - does not look like the MPE , wonder if the MPE available on the M2C is an option and improvement to the stock ...
No MPE on this car, they can't sell the MPE in Europe.

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You wanted a bare bones track focused car. That's not even a CSL, that's a GTS.
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Yeah the exhausttips. love them.

In bold. That's already on our M2/C. Dunno aubout the wheelhubs though...
Adaptive suspension is different from our cars.
And that carbon tunnel console, the rest we(or ROW/US cars) already have.

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So wait Robin.... Let's rephrase this again... The only thing that is new technical wise is the software in the ECU's, the fact you can get carbon ceramics and there is an additional suspension. LOLWUT

Design wise you get a butt load of carbon from the M Performance shopping list, three new carbon parts developed by BMW M (roof, bonnet and spoiler) and new tailpipes on an exhaust. Oh and in the interior there is a bit more Alcantara and carbon as well.

The carbon tunnel is great, but I would not be able to fit it if I want to keep my arm rest... Uhmmm

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Makes sense that then that the MPE is not standard, but are you suggesting the MPE for the M2C is not compatible with this car and can't be installed as a dealer option in the US ��
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I will say that I really like it because I really like the M2 in general but...

I don't see anything particularly special here; it appears to be an M2 with M4 comp parts, a few m performance piece and a CS interior. One could purchase an M2 Comp, throw on a few m perf parts, an M4 comp, diff and tranny tune and you are good to go. The weight savings, thats a joke at best... why would they pull critical interior pieces to save 5 lbs?,at least it seems they kept the HK radio in this one. Oh, and by default you also get uglier wheels.

Is it just me or is ALL of the below already available on an M2/M4 comp?

444 hp / 406 lb-ft torque
7600 rpm redline
6 speed manual or 7 speed DCT
3.8 second 0-60 (DCT)
4.0 second 0-60 (manual)
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19-inch forged wheels in a staggered setup with 245/35R19 tires up front and 265/35R19s in back
High-gloss black finish wheels standard
Carbon fiber front splitter, rear spoiler, rear diffuser, and M mirrors
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The subframe bolted directly to the chassis and the forged aluminum 5-link rear suspension are already a standard component of all F8X chassis (M2/3/4). Nothing new here.
I was confused myself... I recall talking about this about literally 5 years ago lol.
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A lot of comments saying there is nothing new here and it's just a M2 with M performance parts. The same can be said about the M3/M4 CS. But then again, that's the point, it's allowing some of the great M3/M4 parts to trickle down and into the M2 that otherwise would not have been possible due to its spot in the hierarchy.

In addition, why would BMW invest in adding "new" components to an end of life vehicle and in such small quantities? Any new exterior component BMW adds would need to go through testing and regulation, that's millions of dollars.

The M2 is already a pretty niche model and as we all know, there is not a lot of profit to be made on those (example: Supra and Z4). BMW would rather invest its R&D in their 3 series, X5, etc as their profit makers.

I for one love this great last version. I wanted something "special" that I can daily and also take to the occasional track day. Honestly, I don't want something stripped out.

Now the elephant in the room is pricing. As I said before, if it goes to the high 90s, it is punching way too far above its weight and it's going to Porsche territory. If that happens, I would be far better off getting a M2C, which highlights its value proposition at <$60K.
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An amalgam of F8x and m performance catalogue parts

I like the idea but can't help feel it's a bit late in the cycle, not just for m2, but even the s55

This is no 1M
It's purposefully late in the cycle because it will probably be the swan song for the current generation M2.

Given that the 1M is a parts bin car with a borrowed engine from a Z4 and many M3 components, the M2 certainly exists as a spiritual successor. We have pretty short memories because "purists" derided the 1M for being a non-m car with an M badge. Now it's a classic, but hindsight is 20/20. The M2 is currently the purest traditional M car, and the M2 CS will likely be the best version yet.
imo the 1M will always be regarded higher as it was conceived by engineers after hours vs m2 cs borne purely by a marketing department

The 1M is also important for purists as it highlighted that M cars can be about a chassis and not need a bespoke motor

End of the day it's fun to discuss and compare, but the market will inevitably decide
I don't think that's really fair to the M division. Sure, the decision to make a CS certainly was supported by the marketing division, but the M3 CS improves upon the M3 ZCP significantly. Who's to say that making an M from the somewhat unpopular 1 series wasn't marketing either? Good things have come out of less than pure intentions in the past. Even the M2 didn't come with a bespoke M engine and let's face it, the M2 is more highly regarded than my F8X. All I know is, it's fun to drive and now that the power more evenly matches the similar weight, the short wheelbase isn't the only thing that the M2 has going for it.
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BMW followed the same recipe for the M4CS; why is this shocking...

As expected. It will be an incredible car. My like will be determined by its cost of admission.

Adding these components to an existing 2C (as some have suggested) would not be cost effective by any means. The loss of warranty and residual value only add to this.
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This is a huge missed opportunity for BMW.

They could have released a lightweight, stripped out M2 with 400hp and it would have flown off the shelves at $90k. Instead they released a 444hp car with added cosmetic stuff and gimmicky aesthetics which is essentially a modified M2C.

I realize that BMW's clientele these days aren't exactly purists who seek out minimalism; but are in fact people who just want options——however this car is a disappointment when it should have been a total champion of 'back to basics'!
TBF only so much one can do with the inherited F20/21/22 chassis. Next gen needs Carbon Core trickling down from the very top cars.
Not even carbon core IMO.

Stripped back seats
Removed insulation
Plexi glass windows
Lightweight exhaust
Lightweight wheels
Lightweight seats
Carbon roof and hood
Roll cage in


Easily 100kg out.

They could have done it. Cars these days don't need more power. What they need is less bulk.
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