[r33ce89]

Hi,
New to the forum and just picked up an M2 LCI.
Found the oil temperature gauge and it really struggles to get to temperature. Whether it be the oil itself struggling to get to temperature or the sensor is dodgy I don't know?
Can anyone shed any light as I can only find threads for oil getting too hot!!!

Have found in sport/sport + in particular it keeps the temp right down at the bottom of the gauge and in comfort it moves very slowly towards the centre... but it's never got there or even close!




Please help!

[BallHog5873]

make sure you warm up the car in comfort mode, sport and sport + make the oil cooler run so it takes longer to get to temp. if it isn't up to temp in comfort mode after about 15-20 min take it in to a local shop.

[CTSean]

Mine hits about 90 after 15 mins of warmup in comfort, then i switch to sport and the temp will somewhere around 95c - 105c for the rest of the drive. If i forget and leave it in comfort, it'll end up much closes to 120c. If yours isn't going much higher than 80, there's a problem somewhere.

[BadgerDog]

Is this an lci only feature or can I get to that info on my og as well?

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by BadgerDog

Is this an lci only feature or can I get to that info on my og as well?

It's on all M2's, just use the button on the left stalk to scroll through until you find it.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by BadgerDog

Is this an lci only feature or can I get to that info on my og as well?

The OG m2 only has a combined coolant and oil temp guage so there is not an explicit temperature marked guage.

So it looks like this:


Credit: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...04&postcount=7

[BadgerDog]

Originally Posted by F87source

The OG m2 only has a combined coolant and oil temp guage so there is not an explicit temperature marked guage.

So it looks like this:


Credit: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...04&postcount=7

Gotcha. Yeah I've got that one up most of the time, didn't realize it was a combined gauge, though. I assumed it was just coolant. Interesting. Thanks for the info!

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by BadgerDog

Gotcha. Yeah I've got that one up most of the time, didn't realize it was a combined gauge, though. I assumed it was just coolant. Interesting. Thanks for the info!

All the OEM gauges are wrong. Junk, in fact. If you watch the gauge while you flip it from Comfort to Sport and back the needle moves.

And it's universal that the oil needs to be 180° before you really run the car hard, yet there is no 180° line that's clearly shown.

Total letdown.

[BadgerDog]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

All the OEM gauges are wrong. Junk, in fact. If you watch the gauge while you flip it from Comfort to Sport and back the needle moves.

And it's universal that the oil needs to be 180° before you really run the car hard, yet there is no 180° line that's clearly shown.

Total letdown.

Blech. That's disappointing. Alas.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

All the OEM gauges are wrong. Junk, in fact. If you watch the gauge while you flip it from Comfort to Sport and back the needle moves.

And it's universal that the oil needs to be 180° before you really run the car hard, yet there is no 180° line that's clearly shown.

Total letdown.

Originally Posted by BadgerDog

Blech. That's disappointing. Alas.

I've noticed the needle in the center line is when the oil gets to 90C and that is good to go for hard driving.

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by F87source

I've noticed the needle in the center line is when the oil gets to 90C and that is good to go for hard driving.

Mine doesn't have a center line since it's an '18. I can calculate where 180° is, but IMO it's BMW's responsibility to make it very clear when it's safe to drive the car hard. And why it goes to 340° F is anybody's guess.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

Mine doesn't have a center line since it's an '18. I can calculate where 180° is, but IMO it's BMW's responsibility to make it very clear when it's safe to drive the car hard. And why it goes to 340° F is anybody's guess.

I know, I was more so talking about the OG.

Pesonally I don't look at the dash guages, I only look at my tablet guages which gets data directly from the canbus network.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by BadgerDog

Gotcha. Yeah I've got that one up most of the time, didn't realize it was a combined gauge, though. I assumed it was just coolant. Interesting. Thanks for the info!

Yeah it's a combined guage, because even when coolant is at operating temp or above if the oil temp isn't good this guage will not be at the middle. I have monitored it on my tablet to verify this.

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by F87source

I know, I was more so talking about the OG.

Pesonally I don't look at the dash guages, I only look at my tablet guages which gets data directly from the canbus network.

I have considered getting a dedicated oil temp gauge, as it's the only one I really need, but don't want to lose my air vent to do it.

[jkoral]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

I have considered getting a dedicated oil temp gauge, as it's the only one I really need, but don't want to lose my air vent to do it.

Other alternative is the electronic steering wheel, there is a screen that shows digital oil and water. I had v1 of the wheel on my 135i and left it in that mode all the time. Seeing the actual numbers in front of me rather than looking down at the oil temp gauge.

Edit: Looks like the v2 only shows water temp in diesel cars, odd. I liked having them both in my E82, even though I only looked at oil temp.


To get oil temp in an pre-LCI OG, another option is to install new gauge cluster (from LCI or M2C) and have it coded: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...6&postcount=48

I have the cluster but didn't get it coded since I have the P3 gauge on oil temp always.

[E90convert]

When the engine calibration is in Sport, it targets a lower coolant temperature. It may also do something similar with the oil cooler control valve. The oil circuit is thermostatically controlled. 70-80c oil temp is perfectly fine, especially if it’s only 9c out. My C6Z would sit around 60C oil temp on the highway when it was 9C outside. But that oil cooler ran wide open all the time.

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by jkoral

Other alternative is the electronic steering wheel, there is a screen that shows digital oil and water.

I wish I liked that electronic wheel, but it's just too busy for my taste. I much prefer the V1, which is on the list.

Originally Posted by E90convert

70-80c oil temp is perfectly fine, especially if it’s only 9c out. My C6Z would sit around 60C oil temp on the highway when it was 9C outside. But that oil cooler ran wide open all the time.

I've read several people write that as soon as the needle moves off the 160° F (72° C) mark they feel like they are free to go. However, our resident oil expert says that 180° F (82° C) is the minimum safest temp.

My Lotus has trouble getting the oil warm at times as well, which is why some cars have cam issues. 180°F is still the benchmark, even in freezing temps.

[r33ce89]

Turned off max cooling mode in BM3 (previous owner must have ticked it) and still struggling to get over 85 degrees c oil temperature! Got to 90 a few times in traffic... maybe need to accept this is what the car likes and drives absolutely fine with no stored codes etc and coolant warms up pretty quick!

[F87source]

if you have a used car, make sure the previous owner didn't delete the oil thermostat.

[E90convert]

Are you able to look at target coolant temp with that app? I can see it in BimmerLink app. It changes whether the engine is in sport or comfort calibration

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

Mine doesn't have a center line since it's an '18. I can calculate where 180° is, but IMO it's BMW's responsibility to make it very clear when it's safe to drive the car hard. And why it goes to 340° F is anybody's guess.

The E90 M3 had a variable redline that worked like that. With all the advancement (almost 10 years) you would think it would be a standard feature now.

This brand has fallen off hard. I’m still angry that I don’t have an oil temp gauge on my M235i.

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

The E90 M3 had a variable redline that worked like that. With all the advancement (almost 10 years) you would think it would be a standard feature now.

This brand has fallen off hard. I’m still angry that I don’t have an oil temp gauge on my M235i.

My 2005 Lotus has a really cool redline (Toyota/Yamaha 2ZZ-GE). It's 8,500 for quick bursts, 8,000 continuous, and 6,000 when the oil is under 158° F. But one has to remember that it's a Toyota engine made with massive tolerances, which is quite unlike German engineering. So many guys (not you) get that wrong. You just can't treat German engineering like you can Japanese.

The N55/S55 engines should not go past 3K rpm's until 180° or it'll have massively accelerated wear.