[DASHOCKER]

wow

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by Ian///M

Becasue M cars are about chassis not engines. If M brought out the N55B30T0 everyone would be impressed, but it just so happens it is a 'normal' BMW engine.

How about both? You make the assumption that it is only one and not the other.
Haven't all M3s, M5s, the mainstays of the M brand had both M engines and special M chassis? All except the US e36 M3.

Have people been lulled into the "well at least there is one so be happy" camp?
And what does this truly say about us as consumers?

[WilliCO]

Originally Posted by ilikebmxbikes

no - do your research. S55 is quite different. Most obviously having two turbos.

Why be a jackass, dude? What do you gain?

From the BIMMERPOST BMW M3 / M4 First Drive Review posted here, earlier today:

"The M GmbH's direct-injected S55 engine is derived from BMW AG's N55 engine, and some parts are interchangeable, but its character and performance level put it in a class of its own."

Wikipedia on the S55:

"It is a version of N55 engine that replaced the BMW S65 engine"

Autoweek:

"The newly developed engine, known under the internal codename S55 B30, shares its 84.0 mm bore and 89.6 mm stroke with BMW's standard turbocharged 3.0-liter in-line six-cylinder direct-injection gasoline mill, the N55 used across the German car maker's lineup, endowing the aluminum block unit with an overall swept volume of 2,979 cc."

I bill $275 an hour. How much longer do you want me to research?

[ilikebmxbikes]

Originally Posted by WJGreer

Why be a jackass, dude? What do you gain?

From the BIMMERPOST BMW M3 / M4 First Drive Review posted here, earlier today:

"The M GmbH's direct-injected S55 engine is derived from BMW AG's N55 engine, and some parts are interchangeable, but its character and performance level put it in a class of its own."

Wikipedia on the S55:

"It is a version of N55 engine that replaced the BMW S65 engine"

Autoweek:

"The newly developed engine, known under the internal codename S55 B30, shares its 84.0 mm bore and 89.6 mm stroke with BMW's standard turbocharged 3.0-liter in-line six-cylinder direct-injection gasoline mill, the N55 used across the German car maker's lineup, endowing the aluminum block unit with an overall swept volume of 2,979 cc."

I bill $275 an hour. How much longer do you want me to research?

I didn't mean to be a jerk. It is derived but very different. A built up factory n55 will be very different than the s55.

[ilikebmxbikes]

Originally Posted by WJGreer

Why be a jackass, dude? What do you gain?

From the BIMMERPOST BMW M3 / M4 First Drive Review posted here, earlier today:

"The M GmbH's direct-injected S55 engine is derived from BMW AG's N55 engine, and some parts are interchangeable, but its character and performance level put it in a class of its own."

Wikipedia on the S55:

"It is a version of N55 engine that replaced the BMW S65 engine"

Autoweek:

"The newly developed engine, known under the internal codename S55 B30, shares its 84.0 mm bore and 89.6 mm stroke with BMW's standard turbocharged 3.0-liter in-line six-cylinder direct-injection gasoline mill, the N55 used across the German car maker's lineup, endowing the aluminum block unit with an overall swept volume of 2,979 cc."

I bill $275 an hour. How much longer do you want me to research?

And for ur impressive $275 an hour I can paypal you $2.50 for the 30 second google search.

[ska///235i]

If bmw is going to use two platforms/chassis for all their lineup..they will likely be using one or two engines (base off of N54/55)

Its to save money on parts and R&D. I find it funny ppl with N54s keep bashing the N55 being less tuneable...bmw made this engine they know how to tune it

[WilliCO]

Originally Posted by ilikebmxbikes

And for ur impressive $275 an hour I can paypal you $2.50 for the 30 second google search.

It took me a few more minutes to create the hyperlinks.

[Penguino]

Originally Posted by Ian///M

Becasue M cars are about chassis not engines. If M brought out the N55B30T0 everyone would be impressed, but it just so happens it is a 'normal' BMW engine.

How can you say that when SCOTT just said it's all about what's "under the hood"?

[StealYourFace]

Seems like yesterday I was glued to the computer watching developments of the very crude early 1M mules.

I love it, please give us a 4 door. As somebody that wished for an e46 M3 sedan, this car would fit the bill

[StealYourFace]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

If we go back to early 2009 what was the BMW 1er M Coupe prototype initially was a standard 135i but with the M track and drivetrain. There was nothing to see because the priorities were with what is underneath. Its the same story here as it is the same story on any BMW prototype. It's what is underneath that counts first , final definition as in body work , details and styling comes later.

I thought everybody would know this by now...

We did not see a final prototype with the final body till May 2010.

The car is influenced by the M235i Racing in its styling because it is in the genes of the compact BMW from the 2002 Turbo to the E30 M3. Its definition also makes it stand out from the M4.

The M2 will launch in 2015. And be on the market early 2016.

Thanks for all you add Scott. All enthusiasts are looking forward to this car! It seems like yesterday I was following the posts on here of that orange 1M mule with the tacked on fender flairs.

A 4 door would be awesome, but the coupe will certainly do the trick as well.

[nachob]

Originally Posted by Smooth 330i

active crap sound?

Please no active crap !!!!

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by WJGreer

Why be a jackass, dude? What do you gain?

From the BIMMERPOST BMW M3 / M4 First Drive Review posted here, earlier today:

"The M GmbH's direct-injected S55 engine is derived from BMW AG's N55 engine, and some parts are interchangeable, but its character and performance level put it in a class of its own."

Wikipedia on the S55:

"It is a version of N55 engine that replaced the BMW S65 engine"

Autoweek:

"The newly developed engine, known under the internal codename S55 B30, shares its 84.0 mm bore and 89.6 mm stroke with BMW's standard turbocharged 3.0-liter in-line six-cylinder direct-injection gasoline mill, the N55 used across the German car maker's lineup, endowing the aluminum block unit with an overall swept volume of 2,979 cc."

I bill $275 an hour. How much longer do you want me to research?

All of this comes down to one question: how much does BMW have to change for it to be considered a "different" engine. The answer to that question varies from person to person.

Most people who refer to it as "just a tuned N55" use the S65 and S85 as their point of reference. These engines were entirely bespoke, with no non-S variant in any BMW automobile. However, the S85 (which came first) was the first example of such an entirely bespoke design in the BMW line up. At least as far as I'm aware of.

If you look back over the heritage of BMW "S" engines, you can see that most were derivatives of existing BMW engines.

E30 M3 engine, S14: Derived from M10 and M88 engine components, but with two fewer cylinders (typical of modular engine design).

E36 M3 engine, S50: Based on the M50 engine.

E46 M3 engine, S54: Based on the M54 engine.

E28, E34 M5 engine, S38: Based on the M88/3 engine.

E39 M5 engine, S62: Based on the M62 engine.

(Note that "M" is the designation for all BMW engines preceding the "N" series. There is no relation to M GmbH.)

So you can see, the whole "M-car engines must be entirely bespoke" thing is relatively new. I'm not saying I'm thrilled that they're moving away from engines like the S85 and S65, but I understand why BMW isn't sticking with that formula. It's incredibly expensive.

For me, it's not so important that the engine be entirely bespoke. It is important, however, that the engine be built for performance. The S55 has forged components, air-to-water inter cooling, and an advanced turbocharging setup with some crazy cool software. That's enough for me.

[jcardenasmzl]

This is what I think its gonna be the M2 which to be honest I wasn't expecting prototypes till the end of the year but that only means it's probably gonna be available maybe late 2015 hopefully.
-N55 engine with forged internals and all the m treatment just like with the 1M (let's remember that with the 1M they were still N54s 335i and 135i running around)
-better suspension, chasis, breaks, and in general a more aggresive car
-probably the weight is gonna be reduced to 32-3300 to attract more customers, they'll probably use other materials maybe and hopefully different seats.
-DCT and 6 speed manual at least here for the US im gonna say 4.4 0-60 for DCT and 4.6 for the manual
-LSD from factory and M suspension, bigger breaks etc
-19 inch wheels larger fenders, wider body kit in general just like the 1 series M
-It's probably gonna start at 52k with premium package or something like that its gonna end up being like 55k with a lot of options 60-62k

Its not only about the engine, it's about the car in general, BMW knows that the M235i has had great reviews and they know people would have big expectations for the M2. I was really hoping for a 2 series GC or sedan but I guess it's not happening...I'm happy for the M2 though it seems that is going to be a great car

[w3rkn]

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[w3rkn]

The +69ft-lbs of constant TQ from the 1M (& is), never left too many needing more acceleration... , but nearly everyone with wanting better modulation.

I have a 135is and the N55 is an incredible engine.
But currently the ECU is still locked down, the "is" I believe has the same +69tq boost and I think the 135is beats the 1M 0~62, if I am not mistaken. It simply can't hang anywhere else.. (given the moonroof, sour bushings & phuk'd-up steering ratio, etc). But a 135is vs 1M showdown illustrates what is left on the table. DINAN offers the only non-bmw tune I know of @ 409ft-lbs of TQ. Other than those who piggy..


Less is more:
BMW M can offer less (385+tq in a 3,300lbs car no less) & make it unbreakable for weekend-bang'n at the trax... oh my.


Ironically, just because the N55 is not a bespoke M engine, takes nothing away from the N55..!
The N55 is an absolute gem & between 1,600 ~ 5,500 is unbelievable (PPK2). If the M-team can work the lower RPM's response time & extend the powerband, it will be a uber-refined 1M. ideally a 1M. w/just more of everything = M2..!

The M2 will be about beefed up internals, & a track culture.
I hope the M2 is 100% about the chassis... would like to see a sophisticated active suspension option. (ie: corvette)

[135iMsportCoupe]

Originally Posted by BMWM2

A Render

Hey, that's real good! Now can we see it from the rear with quad exhausts? Then everyone can be happy

[nesrevival]

too fat looking I don't like

[hwelvaar]

Originally Posted by carlitosz

How can you say that when SCOTT just said it's all about what's "under the hood"?

Because Scott is here to market BMW.
Chris is out there testing IRL what's it all about.

[Pure]

Oh my God !

[Ayrton91]

This is going to be a long two years for me waiting for this car....

[JustChris]

Hi, loving this thread. Just wanted to ask what this means below from Jason's OP, how does the positioning affect braking performance? I'm not questioning it, just not aware. Thanks in advance.

Same blue steel brakes as M3/M4, with positioning the same as the M3/M4 (different than the M235i and M235i Racing).

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by ChesterM4

Hi, loving this thread. Just wanted to ask what this means below from Jason's OP, how does the positioning affect braking performance? I'm not questioning it, just not aware. Thanks in advance.

Same blue steel brakes as M3/M4, with positioning the same as the M3/M4 (different than the M235i and M235i Racing).

It could be more than this, but this is at least relevant. The brake calipers are mounted to the strut housing, so the brakes being in the same position could indicate component sharing between the M3/4 and the M2.

Two caveats:

1) This is an early prototype, so that could change over the long haul.

2) Similar brake positioning doesn't mean we can say they share components with 100% certainty.