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The dig on the M240xi was jarring. Taking off over a small hill where I live felt like lift off. Just a blast driving it and hoping even more on this one.
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11-16-2018, 01:51 AM | #46 |
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If it hits similar numbers as the M3/M4 in 1/4 I would consider buying one of these cars but if it traps low 1/4 mile numbers like the M240i then I would pass on it. I just saw that the VW GTI Clubsport beat it around the Nurburgring ring. Surprised to see it lose to VW GTI Clubsport around Nurburgring ring. The older Carrera S From 2011 also beat it around the Nurburgring. Too bad we never got that Clubsport in America. It clocked Nurburgring lap at 7:47 which is just 7 seconds off the new Cayman S time. It also beat the previous E92 M3 time around Nurburgring ring.
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11-17-2018, 01:35 AM | #48 | |
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11-18-2018, 08:57 AM | #51 |
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TF=Touristen Fahrten. Days when Nordschleife is open for public.
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https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/02/08/c...e-standard-m2/
they claim comp is only 1/10th faster in the 1/4 |
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02-10-2019, 10:54 AM | #55 |
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I had a 6sp OG for 13k mi. and now a 6sp M2c for 4K mi. The OG felt snapper down low but ran out of steam @6k the M2c has a much better dynamic range . Pulls like a freight train all the way to 7.5k. Faster maybe/maybe not but a much more exciting engine . Still hate the clunky shift linkage . Same on both was hoping the M2c would be better. Carl
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02-10-2019, 11:41 AM | #56 | |
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02-11-2019, 03:20 PM | #58 |
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What's wrong with ZF? They make PDK. Or do you just mean their ZF8 torque converter auto?
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My apologies - just the latter. I loved my PDK, but the more garden variety ZF8 leaves a lot to be desired in my opinion.
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The sport programming and the B58 was still a little too classically "slush-box" programmed for my tastes in most modes, but the way it handled a stab of the throttle and the downshifts I was demanding from it was epic. 8th to 4th or 5th in less time than it takes to blink and mated to the B58, it was stellar. There were a few things I didn't like. 1. Under hard acceleration, the transmission was too smooth. It robbed some of the feel out of an acceleration run. Added to the insulated feel of the car overall, I didn't get the excitement I wanted from it. 2. Left to its own devices in the first two drive modes, it was still too fond of 8th gear. The shift paddles helped, and I often didn't let it go into 8th unless I was really doing a relaxing cruise. My ending complaint about it was in line with how I felt about my 340 at the end. It was too smooth and so competent, I wasn't feeling the joy of driving much. That worries me about the ZF8 in M cars, but it was so much better than any torque-converted auto has any right to be. How I feel about the M-DCT 7-speed after a bit over 5 months: During acceleration runs, even moderate ones, the transmission is brilliant. I know what it's doing and at least get some feedback from it. The fact that if you hit the paddles it STAYS in manual mode and puts the transmission in "3" is fantastic. Manual shifts are brilliantly executed when doing what the transmission logic thinks I'm going to do next. For an "auto", it's tons of fun some of the time. With the two ZF-8's, I'm glad I got to own both of them. I got to see a real difference that can done with almost the same hardware but different programming. That was one neat part of the experience of having those two cars. But: The DCT's logic when I do something it isn't expecting is terrible compared to the ZF-8. Cruising at a steady speed, hit the gas and it downshifts...eventually. That particular action is massively slower than the ZF-8. This is a transmission that needs to be run in manual mode to work well, and that's understandable based on how DCT's work. Manual mode is the key, of course, and asking it to downshift when it hasn't gotten ready for me to do so is better in manual mode, but it's still slow if I want to drop multiple gears quickly. The DCT is faster during acceleration but, sorry, it isn't as good when confronted with multiple speed changes up and down the gear range as I drive for a while having fun (safe fun, not crazy stupid fun). Long story short: Don't dismiss the ZF-8. Go watch the "Engineering Explained" video on it if you want to see why it's so good and used in so many cars vs. the ZF-9. Even the "boring" nature of the up-shifts is likely alterable in software. I would LOVE to drive a ZF-8 equipped M5 and see what they did with it (or an 850...sigh...). I suppose this is where I'll actually put into words my 5.5 month statement on the DCT: I'm not entirely happy with it. Despite periodic left knee problems, if I could turn back the clock it's possible I would have passed on this build and waited to get a manual. Faster or not, the DCT is not living up to my hopes, and over all I think it's a less-capable transmission than the ZF-8 overall (except in a straight line on an acceleration run). Even if the ZF-8 wouldn't be as good on a 1/4 mile run, I think it would be better on a whole track. |
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The key is having the performance-oriented M guys pry the in-house ZF8 tuning away from the straight-up automatic, "slushbox" group. ...and yes, I despise traditional automatics |
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That wasn't my experience with the F90 M5, but literally all of that experience was on track doing hot laps. I was driving the car at its limits, and there were times when it was very slow to do a 4-3 and the 3-2 downshifts under heaving trailbraking (revs were clearly low enough to effect the shift to the lower gear). I suppose the upshifting speed was pretty quick since I don't recall thinking about it -- too focused on driving the car. This was all in manual shifting mode. Anyway, to me, it didn't feel like a DCT at all.
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