BMW M Performance Exhaust NOT legal anymore in Germany!

F22_Alpin_Weiss · 06-29-2018, 01:15 AM

This is what happens when you let Belgian bureaucrats rule over you. No fun allowed.

///Cardia · 06-29-2018, 02:35 AM

MR, thanks for sharing.

This is very true, I tried ordering it back in April and my CA told me it was blocked temporarily.

JustChris · 06-29-2018, 02:38 AM

Has this thread title changed to just Germany now, did it say Europe before?

MR. · 06-29-2018, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by NathObeaN

I literally asked for a quote a couple of hours ago, hoping for a response tomorrow. I am hoping I can still get it pushed through. Do the new regulations apply to just sellers or installers too? So, even if I purchase one, can I be forced to remove it to comply with new regulations? Surely not...

They apply to you and your car! Yes, you could be forced to remove it if they ask you when you fitted it, but if you say two years ago then good luck with that guy trying to find out when you did it.

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Originally Posted by m2ruder

Wait till all the peeps buy the M2C the try and slap aftermarket exhausts on it with that new emission system..... gonna be big issues

Issues? Which issues... Nothing to see here, nothing is happening, please move on... #actinglikeiraqspokesperson

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Originally Posted by dmboone25

This is stupid...the number of people who mod their cars at all, much less something like the exhaust, is infinitesimal compared to the people who never change anything at all.

This is worthless legislation that only affects a tiny % of the population, but does so in a manner that is disproportionate in effect on that small %.

The Nanny state just can't stop....

Not completely true... It is aimed at stopping to offer aftermarket parts and making sure that manufacturers make less loud exhausts. It is not to stop people tune, of course it is a consequence of this.

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Originally Posted by Tag

I don't even live in the EU, but this still pisses me off.

Can you imagine if they tried this sh!t here in the states?

#Don'tThinkSoMF'rs

hahaha no instead you have a president that is going to make anything from Europe 20% more expensive

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Originally Posted by 10"

Eh. This exact same stuff is introduced every couple of years it's nothing newâ€”-dating back to 2005. It doesn't have any real effect. Don't buy the propaganda. They will tweak it and release it again shortly like they always do. They want you to spread this rumour so they can clear out the old inventory...typical carmaker "gossip".

I'm quite sure anyone who wants a PE can buy one. They just wont install it from the factory...

This is a law and not propaganda. And PE's are never installed at the factory!

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Originally Posted by Cavpilot2k

All they need to do is just start making the M cars louder stock.
Problem solved.

It is all about all cars not getting louder... So also stock cars will not be louder.

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Originally Posted by RocketBoots

BMW, just include the M-Performance Exhaust as the stock option. You're welcome BMW; I know, I'm a genius. Let me know when you want me to take the job as head of the M division, and we can start the development of cost effective, environmentally safe, light weight M cars with hydraulic steering and driver focus.

Not possible, it is about the exhaust... It is about the sound level and the fact it has a switch. They are internally now rethinking the set up and making it compliant, but that means no switch anymore and a sound level exactly the same as stock. Would you buy an upgraded titanium exhaust that has a similar sound level but tone is slightly different? I wouldn't!

MR

eau_rouge · 06-29-2018, 03:26 AM

Sorry to say that, but I told ya'll weeks ago and broke the news here. It's a shame that some users gain more credibility in here than others do. I was just laughed at when I posted that - even though it was an official BMW statement.

NathObeaN · 06-29-2018, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by eau_rouge

Sorry to say that, but I told ya'll weeks ago and broke the news here. It's a shame that some users gain more credibility in here than others do. I was just laughed at when I posted that - even though it was an official BMW statement.

I'm still confused as to what the exact ruling is... is this a German issue or EU-wide? I'm from the UK so hoping it doesn't apply to me and I can get one before it does become an EU-wide issue.

MR. · 06-29-2018, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Tag

I thought they got around this with the little red button in the trunk to active the MPE for EU cars. So now the law states you cannot have a loud exhaust at all, even if it has a quite mode?

Nope it states that the sound level is not allowed to be higher than stock and switching it via a button in the cabin is not allowed as well.

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Originally Posted by michal12

Isn't this Germany-only?

Nope Europe wide, but German is the one enforcing it massively right now.

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Originally Posted by euro*

Where is this information coming from? I haven't heard anything from my BMW friends in Germany.

Any official sources to back this information up?

Ask them again

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Originally Posted by KevM2

What about other cars like Porsche that have an exhaust flap button? Those are still legal because they're on "stock" exhaust?

Switchable exhausts are the end. You are not allowed to have a exhaust switch in the cabin anymore.

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Originally Posted by Ringtaxi

what happens if you install an exhaust in germany such as akrapovic that does not comply with emissions... what is the exact penalty?

Your car is not legal to drive on the roads. You can easily determine your own penalty if you do

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Originally Posted by NathObeaN

I'm still confused as to what the exact ruling is... is this a German issue or EU-wide? I'm from the UK so hoping it doesn't apply to me and I can get one before it does become an EU-wide issue.

German 100%, other countries quite likely. Read around the topic. People from other countries are unable to order the exhaust, so it seems a full block.

I have been told BMW took it Europe wide and killed the sales everywhere, but we can only confirm this by checking our dealers.

In the end, I don't really mind. The quality of that piece of aluminium was crap anyhow. My god the MPE is low quality in comparison to other aftermarket systems.

MR

MR. · 06-29-2018, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by eau_rouge

Sorry to say that, but I told ya'll weeks ago and broke the news here. It's a shame that some users gain more credibility in here than others do. I was just laughed at when I posted that - even though it was an official BMW statement.

You should have all the credit since you really did drop the bomb! I remember your post...

I never decided to ask more about it, but then I got the news of a sales stop from different directions outside Germany and I had to ask.

MR

jackaleyess · 06-29-2018, 03:50 AM

Come to SEAsia, anythig is possible here.. with M4 cost around USD180k there are many of them here with loud exhaust.

No one gives a shit. Land of total freedom, if you are loaded.

IAF · 06-29-2018, 03:50 AM

A lot of fake news here

There is no new EU legislation, rather an updated German law, which means they are enforcing this in Germany (hence the MP exhausts are no longer being manufactured).

There has been no effect on other aftermarket exhausts outside of Germany, in the other EU countries.

N & M · 06-29-2018, 04:51 AM

It is funny how everyone who hated and laughed at BMW augmenting sound through the speakers to simulate a desired engine noise may now have to embrace it as the way of the future.

Like idrive, eps and turbocharged performance engines... let’s see how load the new AMG motors will be in the near future.

Rampa50 · 06-29-2018, 04:52 AM

Well guys, on german websites you'll find dozens of news about the new rules.
For all german - speaking bimmer friends:
https://www.motor-talk.de/news/ander...-t6359596.html

All others will have to copy it into google translate

///M Houbi · 06-29-2018, 05:26 AM

What does all this mean for the M2C in its stock form? It also has flaps to control the exhaust sound which can be controlled from the cabin.

?

ORIGIN M. · 06-29-2018, 05:33 AM

Maybe they will discount those overpriced CF Tips now !

MR. · 06-29-2018, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ///M Houbi

What does all this mean for the M2C in its stock form? It also has flaps to control the exhaust sound which can be controlled from the cabin.

?

It doesn't... There is no button that controls the flaps. There is a button that controls the car driving modes, not the exhaust itself.

MR

///M Houbi · 06-29-2018, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MR.

It doesn't... There is no button that controls the flaps. There is a button that controls the car driving modes, not the exhaust itself.

MR

Yes i am aware of that, thats what i mean.

So its a different story if the exhaust sound is „coupled“ with different driving modes?

itf joegun · 06-29-2018, 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MR.

It doesn't... There is no button that controls the flaps. There is a button that controls the car driving modes, not the exhaust itself.

MR

So exactly like the MPE for the M3/M4 works since a longer time, correct? You push the Engine into „Sport“ and the fun begins...

performance-one · 06-29-2018, 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tag

I don't even live in the EU, but this still pisses me off.

Can you imagine if they tried this sh!t here in the states?

#Don'tThinkSoMF'rs

Sorry to say, but I am happy to live in Germany.
The rules for aftermarket parts were always strict and annoying.
But I'm pretty sure due to these rules the quality of aftermarket parts increased.
And maybe because of this the OEM's had the Idea of bringing their own Performance parts to the market with a high quality standard and the street legal Option.

Don't forget, that we have the Autobahn in Germany.
If you can drive 300+ km/h with what ever you mod your car, it should better be save!

I'm very glad, that we have better/strict regulations here in Europe!

In other Countries, where you can do what you want, the result is...
(Pictures are better than letters)

EthanEJC · 06-29-2018, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by NathObeaN

I'm still confused as to what the exact ruling is... is this a German issue or EU-wide? I'm from the UK so hoping it doesn't apply to me and I can get one before it does become an EU-wide issue.

tbh it shouldn't really as I'm lead to believe that we already have a law like this in place it just isn't enforced and to my knowledge, you can still get an M performance exhaust, My main concern that this doesn't affect companies such as akra.

MR. · 06-29-2018, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by itf joegun

Quote:

Originally Posted by MR.

It doesn't... There is no button that controls the flaps. There is a button that controls the car driving modes, not the exhaust itself.

MR

So exactly like the MPE for the M3/M4 works since a longer time, correct? You push the Engine into "Sport" and the fun begins...

Let's wait and see what happens when we drive the M2C and go through the modes.

MR

DeeKay · 06-29-2018, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by C_Competition

What are we going to do about this my fellow Europeans?

The first time I've had the desire to crack a hole in my exhaust just to make it unbearably loud!

Jadar · 06-29-2018, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tag

I don't even live in the EU, but this still pisses me off.

Can you imagine if they tried this sh!t here in the states?

#Don'tThinkSoMF'rs

Yeah how sad! I get the whole stricter emissions and all and why they stopped making the f80, but what the heck does a louder exhaust really affect and as someone already mentioned a small % of the population only change it anyway.

It's not like an M perf "muffler" made the car F1 loud and it just annoyed anyone 1st thing, I mean common.

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