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      04-22-2017, 03:54 PM   #23
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Must be have lucky with my 135i DCT, as I never had any such issues like that in the 6 years I owned mine.
I thought it was a brilliant transmission.
I really wish I wasn't one of the "lucky" ones. But as you can see, I'm not the only person. If there were only a handful of us complaining about this, then yeah, it's just luck of the draw. But there are more than that complaining. The DCT lag issue seems to crop up every so often with regular frequency from new people that have gotten into the 135i DCT for the first time buying used/CPO.

I was certainly hoping I would be able to have the best of both worlds with an auto that functions like a manual.
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I learned to drive on a stick, and in the 25 years since I've owned nothing but manual transmission cars. Maybe just marry the Z4M, and in a couple years see what pops up on the RHD import list for a MKIV Supra or something. ;D
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how can automatics be faster than a dct?
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      04-22-2017, 06:10 PM   #28
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how can automatics be faster than a dct?
Historically haven't dragsters used automatics and torque converters ?
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      04-22-2017, 06:13 PM   #29
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how can automatics be faster than a dct?
I don't think its supposed to be faster. The ZF will be able to withstand more TQ. With that being said I will miss DCT.
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They're scattered among many different threads within the 1 series forum. Here are some I've been able to quickly find:

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1251909

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...t=SIB+12-15-14

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...t=SIB+12-15-14

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...t=SIB+12-15-14

And the thread on when Dinan was having that half off sale for the S2 tune and a few of us chiming in about trying the tune to see if it helps with our DCT problems:

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1348167

If you do a search for the SIB 12-15-14 and DCT lag, you'll find plenty of hits.
Have you driven a ///M car with DCT? I would be willing to bet you're opinion will be different. The software makes a world of difference. My E92 was really good with the factory software. Once I got the Dinan software it was on another level.........Phil
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      04-22-2017, 06:15 PM   #31
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Have you driven a ///M car with DCT? I would be willing to bet you're opinion will be different. The software makes a world of difference. My E92 was really good with the factory software. Once I got the Dinan software it was on another level.........Phil
+1 A buddy of mine has a 1er in DCT. I dont think its anywhere as good as my F80.
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Have you driven a ///M car with DCT? I would be willing to bet you're opinion will be different. The software makes a world of difference. My E92 was really good with the factory software. Once I got the Dinan software it was on another level.........Phil
No, I haven't. And it may change my mind about BMW DCTs. But this doesn't change the fact BMW dropped the ball big time with the DCT used in the 1 series. If the DCT trans are similar between the M cars and the non M cars, then why hasn't BMW tweaked the software to fix the issues we're experiencing. There has been zero software updates since SIB 12-15-14. I stand by what I said. If BMW just didn't want to continue sorting out the issues with the DCT in the 1 series, they should have just left the ZF in place. While I do get why people rave about the shifting in a DCT, I have to daily drive my car and the low speed 1st/2nd gear driveability issues trump any of those advantages. And frankly if I wanted to really set my hair on fire and get an adrenaline rush, I'll just take out either one of my sport bikes.
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No, I haven't. And it may change my mind about BMW DCTs. But this doesn't change the fact BMW dropped the ball big time with the DCT used in the 1 series. If the DCT trans are similar between the M cars and the non M cars, then why hasn't BMW tweaked the software to fix the issues we're experiencing. There has been zero software updates since SIB 12-15-14. I stand by what I said. If BMW just didn't want to continue sorting out the issues with the DCT in the 1 series, they should have just left the ZF in place. While I do get why people rave about the shifting in a DCT, I have to daily drive my car and the low speed 1st/2nd gear driveability issues trump any of those advantages. And frankly if I wanted to really set my hair on fire and get an adrenaline rush, I'll just take out either one of my sport bikes.
Sorry about your issues in with your 1 series DCT. My DCT in my M5 has been a joy to drive at all speeds.
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No, I haven't. And it may change my mind about BMW DCTs. But this doesn't change the fact BMW dropped the ball big time with the DCT used in the 1 series. If the DCT trans are similar between the M cars and the non M cars, then why hasn't BMW tweaked the software to fix the issues we're experiencing. There has been zero software updates since SIB 12-15-14. I stand by what I said. If BMW just didn't want to continue sorting out the issues with the DCT in the 1 series, they should have just left the ZF in place. While I do get why people rave about the shifting in a DCT, I have to daily drive my car and the low speed 1st/2nd gear driveability issues trump any of those advantages. And frankly if I wanted to really set my hair on fire and get an adrenaline rush, I'll just take out either one of my sport bikes.
I don't take issue with your feelings about your DCT troubles.....but keep in mind BMW didn't load up a 1 series with the best it has to offer......they had to keep some of the goodies for it's M cars. This particular transmission being one of them. Remember the M cars are a some of all of it's parts.....not one or two components. Maybe they felt the non M cars couldn't support the software package M cars have.........Phil
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I don't take issue with your feelings about your DCT troubles.....but keep in mind BMW didn't load up a 1 series with the best it has to offer......they had to keep some of the goodies for it's M cars. This particular transmission being one of them. Remember the M cars are a some of all of it's parts.....not one or two components. Maybe they felt the non M cars couldn't support the software package M cars have.........Phil
I get that. If I was able to buy into a 1M when they first came out, I would have one now...or hope to have one. I'm not expecting my car to be an M car. I've thought about doing some things that will bring some of the M car characteristics into my car such as the M bits for the suspension.

But the fact you all with M cars and DCT say the DCT has been a dream to experience/drive, tells me BMW knows how to properly code the software to behave properly at low speeds, low gear, and with the A/C on. All I'm asking is for that brain power to make this part of what should be expected as a given for basic driveability to be applied to getting the DCT issues in the 1 series fixed. I'm not asking for M car performance in the software update. Just to get the car to operate like any other car on the road.
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The end of DCT??? Say it ain't so!! I hope not. I can see a traditional torque converter Auto for a XDrive XM*. But At least keep it around for the next M3/4

The rational here is excuses. If Porshe can perfect it, so can BMW. Porshe PDK is superior and Turbo models have 600+ HP. So I'm not buying this. I think it comes down to BMW not wanting to spend the money for development costs for a separate Tranny.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2017/04/21/bm...ons-soon-gone/

https://www.google.com/amp/jalopnik....1794558556/amp
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The end of DCT??? Say it ain't so!! I hope not. At least keep it around for the next M3/4

http://www.bmwblog.com/2017/04/21/bm...ons-soon-gone/

https://www.google.com/amp/jalopnik....1794558556/amp
Other than lamenting the loss of the 6MT, I would laugh my head off if the beloved "sports car enthusiast" (said with tongue in cheek) DCT was replaced with an automatic, because that's all it is anyway

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If the performance and feel of its replacement is equal or better, what's wrong with it?
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GrussGott Here is your future - an automatic transmission! But remember - as a "sports car enthusiast" if it's best for performance, you automatically (pun unintended) have to love it!
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Weirdly the DCT on my 335i was just like that at first, but it was completely fixed with an ECU update (at the time, by getting the PPK). It went from being awful in traffic to being great.
Same engine (N55) and trans.
Running MHD tunes now, still just as good.

Weird how experiences with the 3 series seems to be so different to the 1 series. TCU and/or ECU software is different?
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Can't say I'm surprised...

Giulia which was praised quite a lot, has it and no one brought this up as a negative in the reviews I've seen ...

I really enjoy it in my car. It shifts quite fast and it's smooth in day to day traffic.
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GrussGott Here is your future - an automatic transmission! But remember - as a "sports car enthusiast" if it's best for performance, you automatically (pun unintended) have to love it!
ha, that's good. But I think it's important to point out that

(1.) I have a DCT (for 7 years now, my last MT was a B6 Audi S4)

(2.) I have an F83

(3.) I don't do any organized tracking

In short, I'm a hobbyist
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I may get shot for this, but good riddance to the DCT.

So disappointed in mine. Clunky, not the smoothest nor the fastest. What's the point?

I really miss my 6MT M4, but those days are gone for me personally (injury).

If they cannot make the DCT equal or better then It's competitors ... time to find something they can.
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