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      01-18-2017, 11:18 AM   #45
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Time to get some flare fenders back like the old days!
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Time to get some flare fenders back like the old days!
This idea I like. ^
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Are you all freakin' high???? Karim Habib will go down in BMW history as an absolute legendary designer!
This! Especially since the F06 is one of the most beautiful cars out there and the F8x M3/4 is the best looking M3 since e46. People say that the 7 series does not look exciting or sporty, but what about a luxury sedan is supposed to look exciting or sporty? You're not going to attend track days in the 7 anyway and when looking at the S-Class or the A8, they don't look any more interesting than 7 Series either.
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Man, my 2 days old wish became true. Positive thinking!
Good that the idiot is gone!

I want proper headlamps no crapy looking, no bulky stretched nostrils, no lines on the hood... It can't get worse than this... I just couldn't order a new M3 because of this.

Looking forward for a bright new design.
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FANTASTIC!!!!! The designs since 2011 have been horrible and boring!!! Let's get back to building exciting cars again...a la pre 2012. Nice guy, but he needed to go!
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Sad, but hopefully the new head of design will have BMW move away from their conservatism and create more exciting looking models...
Bangle 2.0?
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For what its worth.. I liked the conservative designs under Habib
nice and clean
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For anyone who thinks there's too much family resemblance now, it can get worse for us. Look at audi. Or benz.
Audi and M-B don't have nearly the problem with differentiating between models that BMW has. It's much worse in Munich.

Karim Habib had his chance. IMHO, he's part of the current problem BMW's having with sales consistency -- and his leaving now means one of two things (I believe No. 1 is the case):

1). He's been forced out because others at BMW are concerned by the same things most of us have mentioned, or
2). He wanted to do more but was reined in by others, and he'd had enough

I like the X6 and the 2 Series, and the 6 Series GC wasn't shabby for what it is. Everything else is stuck in the design mud and basically look like scaled up/down versions of the same vehicle, including the new 7 Series and 5 Series -- and the spy shots of the 3 Series don't bode well.
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Lame builds? Wasn't he in charge of the M2?
+1. People don't know what they're talking about.
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For anyone who thinks there's too much family resemblance now, it can get worse for us. Look at audi. Or benz.
Audi and M-B don't have nearly the problem with differentiating between models that BMW has. It's much worse in Munich.

Karim Habib had his chance. IMHO, he's part of the current problem BMW's having with sales consistency -- and his leaving now means one of two things (I believe No. 1 is the case):

1). He's been forced out because others at BMW are concerned by the same things most of us have mentioned, or
2). He wanted to do more but was reined in by others, and he'd had enough

I like the X6 and the 2 Series, and the 6 Series GC wasn't shabby for what it is. Everything else is stuck in the design mud and basically look like scaled up/down versions of the same vehicle, including the new 7 Series and 5 Series -- and the spy shots of the 3 Series don't bode well.
This has been BMW design for decades. Memories are short around here.

BTW... Germans are notorious for copying each other.
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Bring someone in that can make me this again with s55 and led lights.
You can buy one with the S54.
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As a longtime M driver, I have thought that BMW was getting way too conservative in its exterior designs this past 5-10 years. Fear of taking some risk leads to mediocrity, which realistically is where BMW exterior designs are at these days (my opinion). I'm not arguing for the Bangle era with the funky rear ends, but there is very little that excites me about the exteriors of BMWs now. They are still a very good car to drive (not as visceral as before), but a new styling direction is clearly warranted. Hopefully, that is what this represents. As I've said in another post. Bring in the Italians. Italian flare and design with BMW reliability and overall practicality. Make them beautiful too.
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Every time someone leaves BMW people come here to complain about how bad the designs are or how the competition is doing much better or whatever. It's like a green light for people to post some negative comment about something in an effort to try to bring down BMW.

But here's the thing. The designs from BMW recently are not bad designs. The M2 looks amazing and it's arguably the best looking BMW coupe in decades. The new 5 series looks amazing, and with performance like a freight train. The technology in it is cutting edge and I believe it be a huge seller. The BMW i8 is still the most (non supercar) innovative and futuristic mass production sports car ever built, (because of its 918 like technology and characteristics) and even after a few years since it was debuted, it still looks amazing.

So for all of you using this opportunity to find some negative spin on Hiram leaving, that's your prerogative. But in the real world BMW is doing just fine.
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Bring someone in that can make me this again with s55 and led lights.
That is stunning
You were right about the E85/E86 platform btw. I'm having way too much fun with my new Z4MR, they're such great cars.
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Bring someone in that can make me this again with s55 and led lights.
You can buy one with the S54.
No dood, I mean like an updated version and yes, i plan on it. Interlagos blue
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Bring someone in that can make me this again with s55 and led lights.
That is stunning
You were right about the E85/E86 platform btw. I'm having way too much fun with my new Z4MR, they're such great cars.
I saw a Z4M coupe yesterday. I seriously love that car. Too bad the lower mileage ones were almost as much as my new M2. Enjoy! Someday, I'll add another Z coupe- obsessed. If BMW wants to make me a new updated one with some leftover parts, my money is theirs.

Maybe I should apply for the job. I'll make them all smaller, wider and faster.
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I am really curious as to what this means with upcoming generations. Karim designed so many beautiful cars. Working in a creative industry myself, I can only imagine how constraining an automaker is. You guys act like he gets to make whatever he wants - ummmnnnn no. He designs and then advocates them to a bunch of people who know nothing about design and then they pick and pull elements and make a watered down version.
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Hire Ian Callum and lets make BMW great again!
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Folks, BMW's designs are copy paste as well. What does the new 5 series look like? The 7. What will the new 3 look like? The 5 and the 7. Everyone is doing it.
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Those cars all do look good, most surprisingly the Gran Coupe 6 series. None of them are bad.

I would argue that while aesthetically pleasing, none of those cars do or ever will be considered classic/true/purist/whatever-you-want-to-call-it designs like the E46 M3, E30 or the 2002.

I think from a business standpoint, for the direction BMW is headed, this guy had it right. Most of the cars look similar if you put them side by side, there's a lot of continuity in the lineup which is good for a brand if you look at it in isolation - but compared to other pedestrian cars on the road today, most of the BMWs just blend in because unfortunately many design techniques are applied similarly across the industry.

From an enthusiast standpoint, I'm sorry but there's nothing in that lineup of cars other than MAYBE the M2 that jumps out and says "I'm special!". The entire non-M F-series cars just aren't anything to write home about, nor is a standard 5-series.

Even the F82/F80, while at least I will notice them on the street and be like "oh hey they bought an M, good job", still don't inspire anything in me.

And that is perhaps the biggest issue that people here are probably having - there is nothing inspired about the designs. That doesn't mean they are not aesthetically pleasing in some ways. But there is a big difference between those two concepts.
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Those cars all do look good, most surprisingly the Gran Coupe 6 series. None of them are bad.

I would argue that while aesthetically pleasing, none of those cars do or ever will be considered classic/true/purist/whatever-you-want-to-call-it designs like the E46 M3, E30 or the 2002.

I think from a business standpoint, for the direction BMW is headed, this guy had it right. Most of the cars look similar if you put them side by side, there's a lot of continuity in the lineup which is good for a brand if you look at it in isolation - but compared to other pedestrian cars on the road today, most of the BMWs just blend in because unfortunately many design techniques are applied similarly across the industry.

From an enthusiast standpoint, I'm sorry but there's nothing in that lineup of cars other than MAYBE the M2 that jumps out and says "I'm special!". The entire non-M F-series cars just aren't anything to write home about, nor is a standard 5-series.

Even the F82/F80, while at least I will notice them on the street and be like "oh hey they bought an M, good job", still don't inspire anything in me.

And that is perhaps the biggest issue that people here are probably having - there is nothing inspired about the designs. That doesn't mean they are not aesthetically pleasing in some ways. But there is a big difference between those two concepts.
I know these are all personal opinions...
I think the F80 is the best looking M since the E46 M3 and M coupe I fell in love with. An M, whether it be a 1,2,3,4,5,6
should stand out from the rest. The F80 finally brought back that wide fender/quarter that was missing. The M coupe/roadster and E46 were (still are) so sexy. Everyone likes a big butt

Since BMW stopped being a niche car and now build a car for just about everyone, it won't matter who the designer is. The business plan is what's causing all of these similar looks. The least they could do is differentiate the M product more.

Lets all not forget how these cars drive though!! Looks may not be a 10 but the performance for the money makes it a 10 IMO
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