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Great car, just too damn big with exterior dimensions larger than an M4.
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08-30-2019, 02:56 PM | #24 |
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My co-worker had his GT350R out this week and I should have snapped a picture of it parked next to my car. It sounds amazing and whether you love the looks or not you have to admit it garners a lot of attention. I just can't get past the build quality as the panel gaps are just as bad as they are on a base ecoboost model as the rear bumper cover in particular was sagging on both sides which is appalling for the price of the car.
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09-04-2019, 03:59 PM | #25 |
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I'm a car nut that typically keeps a car about 6 months on average. It's a hobby of mine to buy and sell quite often.
Having owned many turbo BMW's, V8 Mustangs, and Corvettes in the past, I recently picked up a 2016 GT350 track pack. Although I thought it looked awesome (white w/ the blue stripes) and sounded good, I never truly loved this car...and sold it after 3 months. Had a 2016 M235i Dinan Stage 2 right before the Shelby and went back to a 2018 M240i afterward. Bottom line for me was the Shelby's lack of low-end torque, lack of refinement, and size (felt literally twice as big as the M240i) robbed the fun for me. The M240 felt so much faster around town - you have to drive the Shelby like a madman for it to feel fast because it's really not impressive below 3500 rpm. Getting off the line quickly with the 6MT was also not easy, where the BMW just rockets off in 1st gear with the 8AT trans. Still glad I tried the Shelby, as I always loved the look from when it first debuted in 2016. But for pure fun, the smaller BMW's with paddle-shifters are so much quicker and more agile that it's a no-brainer for me. |
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Even before cars had my attention, a Shelby has always been something I dreamed of. Looking at the GT350 I'm pretty floored by the exterior build quality. Panel gaps are bad, assembly of the rear bumper is consistently inconsistent, and the motor looks like a rats nest. I understand it sounds amazing, but lots of owners are experiencing motor issues, and frankly a Camaro would wipe the floor with a GT350. And then there is the whole NA thing. As you mention, NA motors may be more exciting at higher revs, but honestly the M2 in the 3-6k RPM range pulls nicely and consistently. I just got back from a trip on the Devils Highway which is considered the twistiest road in America (estimated to have 550 turns in 100 miles at 4-9k feet of elevation) and the M2 is just pure heaven here. 3rd and 4th gear almost everywhere with plenty of acceleration when needed. I often think about a Camaro or GT350 in this area and the larger size and heavier weight would actually get to be tiring in this environment. Not sure I would enjoy it as much. After all of this there is still something attracting me to these cars. |
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09-08-2019, 06:20 AM | #27 | |
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The Mustang was less like riding a horse, and more like breaking one. You had to be a skilled driver to maximize it at the track. The M2 is easier to drive near and at the limits, and less scary. The Mustang would try to fling itself sideways for any reason and you had to be on top of it all the time. Coming from a GT the GT350 is a step up in every way (minus low end torque). It handles way better, it has more top end, magnaride does a great job and it feels a lot flatter. But coming from an M2 I think you would always miss the light on it's feet feel of the BMW. It is a smaller car and that's hard to make up for. I'm a track rat, so I don't mind keeping the revs high. On the track you are hardly ever under 4000 rpm anyway. Around town I'm not sure. Less torque is less fun. My GT had loads of torque down low and that was a blast on surface streets. 2nd gear was a blast. But yeah, difficult decision. I still think a 500hp NA V8 in a M2 chasies would be the perfect car.
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09-08-2019, 06:50 AM | #28 |
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[QUOTE=OC335sedan;25214135]I'm a car nut that typically keeps a car about 6 months on average. It's a hobby of mine to buy and sell quite often.
Having owned many turbo BMW's, V8 Mustangs, and Corvettes in the past, I recently picked up a 2016 GT350 track pack. Although I thought it looked awesome (white w/ the blue stripes) and sounded good, I never truly loved this car...and sold it after 3 months. Had a 2016 M235i Dinan Stage 2 right before the Shelby and went back to a 2018 M240i afterward. Bottom line for me was the Shelby's lack of low-end torque, lack of refinement, and size (felt literally twice as big as the M240i) robbed the fun for me. The M240 felt so much faster around town - you have to drive the Shelby like a madman for it to feel fast because it's really not impressive below 3500 rpm. Getting off the line quickly with the 6MT was also not easy, where the BMW just rockets off in 1st gear with the 8AT trans. Man I feel like you are my brother from another mother. I have an 18 m240i and I sometimes consider the gt350 or even the new bullitt to get back to the ol feelings I had with my fox body mustangs. I had feared the lack of refinement, size and lack of low end torque would be deal breakers. Having read your post, I feel like I don't even need to bother test driving them now. |
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Balance of the M2 is the stuff of legend. I have driven it at Spa Francorchamps, Hockenheimring and Nurburgring Nordschleife and I can vouch for that.
But living in Germany I spend a lot of time on the Autobahn where hitting 160 mph is a likely daily occurrence, and at least Nordschleife requires you to shift into 6th on the back straight while Spa requires you to wring out 5th to red line. And at those places I wish for a V8. Yes, both the cars you mention weigh 200-300lbs more than the M2, but they are both faster than an M2 as well. Nonetheless, the question is do you care about lap times, or a nimble driving experience.
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Completely different bushing set, MRC tuning , bigger/stiffer sway bars, grippier and much wider tires.
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I've seen 140ish (In Mexico of course), and even with less than perfect pavement, it's still very solid and planted.
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I think the PP2 Mustang is much more hooked up also. Stiffer springs, roll bars, and good damping with 305 wide Sport Cups is how all Mustangs should come out of the factory in my opinion.
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Why didn't GM put the solid rear cradle bushings in the SS 1LE? My only complaint of the SS 1LE and the only area where the M3 was better was in the rear. I added the ZL1 1LE solid cradle bushings to my car and it made a nice difference, with no added NVH.
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09-11-2019, 11:56 PM | #38 |
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In regards to refinement, I actually find my Shelby to be on par with my M2. I had to take the M2 in for rattles a couple of times within the first few months. Not so with the Shelby. Very tight. The feel of the plastic switches etc in the BMW are far superior to the Ford. However, the B&O audio in the Shelby is 1,000 times better than the HK system in the M2.
I would have kept both, but only have one parking spot in my building. The Shelby is definitely bigger and you can feel it when you drive it. Once you get used to the size, you start to realize its capabilities. |
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Going from my 2016 M3 to my 2SS 1LE, with the exception of a few carbon trim pieces, the 1LE is much quieter and materials wise, it's VERY close. I think that those who blindly say, BMW interior is better because it's a luxury brand have tunnel vision. The M2 interior uses crappy base 3 series materials, then M3 (in non extended leather) adds a nicer Napa leather and a few carbon pieces, but is far from perfect. My M3 was a creak box that took 2 complete replacement door seals and ended up needing to be 3Med to keep it quiet. It's funny how everyone defends BMW's interior, yet all you have to do is look in the problem section of the forum to see just how many issues BMW's interiors have.
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To all those wanting a V8.. I’d think an S55 with an AA midpipe, catless DPs and a JB4 would be a quick cure for that. Pretty massive power bump.
Or are you trying to stay stock?
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I have not driven an S55 yet, so I can’t answer that. But the deal breaker for me is the sound. I demand high end HP which revs high, low end torque, instant throttle response, and great sound. S55 doesn’t sing, it sound like its choking on concrete. To be honest every time I hear an S55 I cringe. Not good at at all and the main reason I not driving an M4 right now.
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