[akkando]

Originally Posted by stylinexpat

Yes, the M2 has a better and stronger motor. The main point was one would have figured that BMW would have pulled off some better numbers around Nurburgring. The VW GTI clubsport pulled a ring time of 7:43 which is about 15 seconds faster. Would have thought that the M2 with wider tires and a stronger engine with supposedly a better chassis would have gotten better lap times. In a straight line though it seems quite obvious that the M2 would be the faster car. My point is that I wish BMW would have pulled in some better numbers as I really like the new M2. The M2 looks better and has a stronger motor of the two. Lap times and fuel economy wise the Golf seems to win. Depends on how one wishes to compare them I suppose. They are two different cars. This also might explain why Chris Harris said that the Chassis on the R seemed more compliant when compared to the 235i M in the comparison video. The fun factor the BMW wins he said and I would agree

For one thing BMW has a financial interest in keeping M2 ring times worse than the M4.

[3Si]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNMc5vZCpuo&t=1233s


Here's a video last year, chasing some Golfs. Skill level varies, and most were modified. So don't take it too seriously.

The black GTi had upgraded Turbo (K04 maybe?), north of 400WHP hence the speed in the straights. But if you listen carefully, there were a few times I did lift early to keep a safe distance as this was a non competitive lapping day.

I had no trouble passing most of the stock Rs and the track was partially damp on a 10C cold day.

The RS3 will be a better comparison to the M2 IMO. Should have some videos of that soon, my neighbor's is coming in July.

[marcusfva]

Does the DCT in the M2 have the same gear ratio of the DCT in the M3-4? My opinion is that the M2 is disadvantaged in acceleration because the 4th-5th-6th gears are too long for that powertrain.

[BlacMacJac]

um... I kinda like my R (my 2nd after a MK4).
But I'd prefer the M2 and am looking to buy one

[hoyasaxa]

Originally Posted by BlacMacJac

um... I kinda like my R (my 2nd after a MK4).
But I'd prefer the M2 and am looking to buy one

Clean! And I like the euro tails. But we're talking about the MKVII, not the MKVI.

[BlacMacJac]

Originally Posted by hoyasaxa

Clean! And I like the euro tails. But we're talking about the MKVII, not the MKVI.

Oh yeah. the 7 is crap.

[Robin_NL]

According to German carmag Sportauto, their Nordschleife laptimes of the M2's competition( i.e Civic R, Golf R, Seat Leon Cupra R whatever the name is, Megane RS 275 whatever the name is, RS3 etc etc) don't come even close to the manufacturer's claims

Only M2 came close to 7:58 with 8:01 on a partially 'wet' track.

IRL on the Ring M2 easily can keep up with the 'faster' competition, everything being equal( time/temp/circumstances AND driver)

So the competition's numbers irl are just not so great instead of the M2's numbers.



Cheers
Robin

[F1zbo]

Interesting to see some people thinking the M2 is not quick in a straight line.
Makes you wonder, compared to what?

Sure, I would not complain if it had another 50whp but I would still not consider a quarter mile time of 12.5s to be slow considering rwd, 370hp and the weight of the car.

Br

[krizze]

Originally Posted by akkando

I'm so confused. Someone on this forum who has a bunch of Porsches and tracks their cars said their M2 was getting left in the dust by a stock Audi S3 whenever they got to the straightaway. Seems the m240i also starts to pass the M2 once you get up to about 90. Shrug. I don't know what to believe.

i'm just speaking from my own experience, i see your dilemma. but my car is completely stock DCT, if you look at some videos online you'll see that from a rolling drag race the m2 pulls away from the RS3, from a standing start the RS3 wins due to Quattro 4 wheel drive.

[krizze]

Bottom line is, you cannot even begin to compare an M2 with civics golfs seats and even audis, i mean i don't mean to sound Biased BUT JUST LOOK AT IT!. i don't believe for one minute that an M2 put in the hands of a racing driver with no ties to BMW would beat the Type R's time with ease.

just my 2 cents.

[grinch]

Nurburgring lap times are a joke




M2 is much more fast

[DoggieHowser]

Originally Posted by grinch

Nurburgring lap times are a joke




M2 is much more fast

Except the civic is faster on the ring

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by DoggieHowser

Except the civic is faster on the ring

That Civic was a specially prepared car with semis etc.

Take the showroomcar vs the M2 and let Christian Gebhard @ Sportauto drive them both and let's see the outcome....

Cheers
Robin

[DoggieHowser]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

That Civic was a specially prepared car with semis etc.

Take the showroomcar vs the M2 and let Christian Gebhard @ Sportauto drive them both and let's see the outcome....

Cheers
Robin

Do you have the magazine numbers?

[grinch]

Originally Posted by DoggieHowser

Except the civic is faster on the ring

X file?

[aerobat]

M2 is not allowed to be faster on the ring of marketing reasons.
Can't be faster than big brother.

Mount M Performance Chassie or sim and you will see other times.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by DoggieHowser

Do you have the magazine numbers?

Civic needs to be tested yet, no info available. But I bet it's way worse than expected. I'll keep you informed

Originally Posted by aerobat

M2 is not allowed to be faster on the ring of marketing reasons.
Can't be faster than big brother.

Mount M Performance Chassie or sim and you will see other times.

This.
In the tests there was a (BMW claimed) 7:52 in it but that laptime was way too close to M3/4 territory, 7:58 is a reasonable 'easily reproducable' time on a dry and empty Nordschleife (by a good semi pro driver) according to BMW.
Hence Gebhard doing 8:01 on partially moist asphalt.

The M2's rear suspension is pretty hard, but softened it would give more traction and this would also benefit the laptime by a few seconds. But on a normal(not floaty like the NS) track, M2's chassis incl LSD is stock already 'the best you can get' (brakepads aside) vs the competition.

Cheers
Robin

[DoggieHowser]

Originally Posted by grinch

X file?

Was merely reading the numbers from your table.

[grinch]

Originally Posted by DoggieHowser

Was merely reading the numbers from your table.

This is not my table, is the first table i found in internet.

If you prefer those...

TypeR vs M2 dkg



From this page

http://www.zeperfs.com/es/duel5669-5975.htm


Or

TypeR vs M2 manual



From

http://www.zeperfs.com/es/duel5669-5974.htm



What happens in Nurburgring? Magical set up

[patrickoccasionallydrives]

Originally Posted by stylinexpat

Was looking into a new M2 but then Nurburgring numbers along with 1/4 Mike numbers are not all that great. 0-60 numbers are same as new 2018 Golf R. The Golf R might even be quicker around Nurburgring track. 7:58 is not all that great

just buy a golf if you want a golf.

[B_Rice]

I doubt anyone on this forum can even get below a 9 minute run in a m2, so why bother bench racing?

[AndyinHou]

Originally Posted by B_Rice

I doubt anyone on this forum can even get below a 9 minute run in a m2, so why bother bench racing?

Robin_NL , I think you've taken yours around the Ring... what time did you get?