[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

How will the F80 be automatically a better choice when:

1. M2 hasn't even been revealed, not even a concept.

2. 2 different card with different goals.

Or are you just saying your opinion is right and everyone else's is wrong? Because in my eyes, M2 will be the better car. Key phrase: in my eyes.

Because the M4 cones with a real true S Motor, and for this much money its a joke otherwise.

MB fans would laugh if a AMG did not come w a hand built Engine, but somehow BMW is pulling this hat trick, as they did with the M Performance Model named the 1 M Coupe, and laughably people are okay with it!

[W///]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

Because the M4 cones with true S Motor, and for this much money its a joke otherwise.

MB fans would laugh if a AMG did not come w a hand built Engine, but somehow BMW is pulling this hat trick, as they did with the M Performance Model named the 1 M Coupe, and laughably people are okay with it!

I'll take BMW's world famous I6 over a "hand built" 4 pot any day of the year. That's just me.

On another note, while I really liked the S55 and still am considering the F80, the maintenance on it scares me a little bit because I plan to keep these cars long term.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by W///

I'll take BMW's world famous I6 over a "hand built" 4 pot any day of the year. That's just me.

On another note, while I really liked the S55 and still am considering the F80, the maintenance on it scares me a little bit because I plan to keep these cars long term.

And what if M Division had decided to do a high strung 4 pot and put it in this car? Then what would say?

[W///]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

And what if M Division had decided to do a high strung 4 pot and put it in this car? Then what would say?

I'd have to drive it before I make up my mind. The N20 is OK, but hardly that exciting. Would have to see what an S20 would be like.

Don't get me wrong, I've got nothing against 4 pots (big fan of MINI's, had an MCS for a couple of months). But like I said, I'd take a 6 pot over a 4 pot any day of the week.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by W///

I'll take BMW's world famous I6 over a "hand built" 4 pot any day of the year. That's just me.

On another note, while I really liked the S55 and still am considering the F80, the maintenance on it scares me a little bit because I plan to keep these cars long term.

I am not comparing a 4 pot to a 6. I am referring to a special S motor vs a motor that goes in a series car.

I still have high hopes that M surprises us with something more than a n55 variant.

[W///]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

I am not comparing a 4 pot to a 6. I am referring to a special S motor vs a motor that goes in a series car.

I still have high hopes that M surprises us with something more than a n55 variant.

Well you did say that AMG fans would laugh if their cars didn't come with a "hand built" engine, so I threw the CLA45AMG in there.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by W///

Well you did say that AMG fans would laugh if their cars didn't come with a "hand built" engine, so I threw the CLA45AMG in there.

M Fans should be concerned but the scary part is most are not.

[W///]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

M Fans should be concerned but the scary part is most are not.

Oh trust me, I've heard it all before, especially because I own a US spec E36 M3. You want to talk about getting sh1t for not having a "real" M engine.

Like I said, I enjoyed my time in the M235i and I'm more or less looking more towards the suspension and brakes of the car. Not saying that the engine is not important, but the M235i was fine for me.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by W///

Oh trust me, I've heard it all before, especially because I own a US spec E36 M3. You want to talk about getting sh1t for not having a "real" M engine.

Like I said, I enjoyed my time in the M235i and I'm more or less looking more towards the suspension and brakes of the car. Not saying that the engine is not important, but the M235i was fine for me.

Price is the deciding factor.

But still weak sauce IMO.

[el_]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

MB fans would laugh if a AMG did not come w a hand built Engine, but somehow BMW is pulling this hat trick, as they did with the M Performance Model named the 1 M Coupe, and laughably people are okay with it!

There is no "magic" inside the 2-liter AMG engine. Basically, it's a regular MB 2-liter with a bigger turbocharger.

And than they took two of them and put them together to create a "very special" ;-) 4.0 V8 for AMG GT and C 63. Finally, they detuned that V8 and will put it in non-AMG models, badged as 500 (the first car with it underhood is G 500 4x4²)

The era of bespoke engines for performance models is end.

[Artemis]

As you might likely know from other posts, I quote sources as much as possible.

I notice that the link to the original article in the first post has recently vanished. It wasn't me.

[Zoli007]

If it sounds good and has power I don't care. And it's not like they're taking a motor from the 235 and just throwing it in without any changes. I remember being very pleasantly surprised by a 1M when I finally had a chance to drive one. The car feels special and unique and definitely does not even remotely sound like a 135 when driving it. I'm 0% worried about anything being not good on the M2.

[Denk]

The whole will be greater than the sum of its parts.

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by Artemis

I notice that the link to the original article in the first post has recently vanished. It wasn't me.

I'm beginning to believe some sites (site managers?) just don't co exist.
I read this article a while ago and, in the end, I didn't get much out of it. It was like the author had a bunch of disparate thoughts and instead of developing one or two and nailing them down, he tried to logically connect them all. The result, IMO, was a potpourri of unconvincing conclusions.
Thanks for posting it, though. The comments have been interesting and suggest I'm in the minority. Oh well.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Denk

The whole will be greater than the sum of its parts.

Yes.

Also, to those who are 'not feeling it' yet, try to understand why enthusiasts are looking forward to this car.

[rb2260]

Lol, I think it funny how people are quick to anoint themselves the "true" car enthusiasts b/c they are buying a smaller M car with "fewer" options. I wonder how many of these "enthusiasts" will bloat up the car with moonroof, upgraded sound, nav, premium leather, etc but feel that they are driving the "better" driver's car than the M4.

I will wait and see if there's a M2 CSL, otherwise i'm happy with my stripper E30 and E46. doubt it, as BMW has learned American "enthusiasts" will not buy a car w/o radio or AC. the e46 CSL is still one of the ultimate "driver's" car (not perfect as it was not manual).

[abp689]

Originally Posted by Artemis

As you might likely know from other posts, I quote sources as much as possible.

I notice that the link to the original article in the first post has recently vanished. It wasn't me.

Okay, that's odd; why remove the link?

Originally Posted by rb2260

Lol, I think it funny how people are quick to anoint themselves the "true" car enthusiasts b/c they are buying a smaller M car with "fewer" options. I wonder how many of these "enthusiasts" will bloat up the car with moonroof, upgraded sound, nav, premium leather, etc but feel that they are driving the "better" driver's car than the M4.

YEAH, IDK: My brother in law has three cars: one for dirt track, one for asphalt, and a truck to pull them. Neither have a back seat, or really a passenger seat for that matter. If I told his crew that I was deleting navigation from the M2 for weight saving and purity of spirit, not really sure what they would say, but I have an idea

With that said, I missed out on the e46 and the M2 seems like a nice complement. Also, unless standard, I am not opting for the navigation. Figure I can tape the money saved to the underneath of the car and lower my center of gravity - surly that is something the crew can get behind

[ORIGIN M.]

No doubt!!!

The one thing I like about the 1er M Coupe' was the no nav option.

Originally Posted by abp689

Okay, that's odd; why remove the link?



YEAH, IDK: My brother in law has three cars: one for dirt track, one for asphalt, and a truck to pull them. Neither have a back seat, or really a passenger seat for that matter. If I told his crew that I was deleting navigation from the M2 for weight saving and purity of spirit, not really sure what they would say, but I have an idea

With that said, I missed out on the e46 and the M2 seems like a nice complement. Also, unless standard, I am not opting for the navigation. Figure I can tape the money saved to the underneath of the car and lower my center of gravity - surly that is something the crew can get behind

[Spook410]

Or...

[Alpine F31]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

No doubt!!!

The one thing I like about the 1er M Coupe' was the no nav option.

I don't know, the nav in the 2 is awesome. It shows 3D looking images of where you are. It even showed me the grandstands and features of California Speedway as I drove on the track!



Look at the screen!

[Nahlem]

To be honest there is so much speculations on these forums regarding how the M2 is gonna be, Such a blast to read. Although i must say we know nothing more about it now , then what they want to us to know ,

Its probably gonna be an Entry Model in to the M world, So the younger generation can buy it, don't know even how young people will be able to even afford a car that cost 48,000€ MSRP to begin with. But still its probably gonna feel a little bit more nimble and a bit more playful not as much Premium as the M3/M4 witch are considered for the older generation who likes performance but don't want to look like the 18 year old neighbors son who just got a driving license and drives around dads MB and looks cool.

Then slams it in to the side curf and tells nothing to his father and gets such a huge scolding that he almost shits his pants, But with the M2 its probably gonna be okay to look a bit like that 18 year old,

Just messing with ya guys, Its probably gonna be a great drivers car as long as they hit the price range correctly a lot of people will consider this car over an full blown M3/M4 due to the size. And in a couple of years those who had the M2 will probably be a bit older and buy them self whatever ///M Car that comes out to suit them wherever they are in there life for the moment.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

And what if M Division had decided to do a high strung 4 pot and put it in this car? Then what would say?

It probably would have made my put my 1m up for sale immediately, had they made an S20 powered M2.