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      03-20-2017, 12:01 PM   #23
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The M in M2 is very different than the M in M240i.

The M in M2 is Motorsports.

The M in M240i is Marketing.

But great comparison review. The 240 is a better value overall, but I suspect the M2 will hold it's resale better. Both will make you smile every time you drive it. The bottom line is if you are doing such a comparison, you don't really want an M car.

The same comparison can be done for the 540 vs M5 and 340 vs M3. Most of it is marketing and a good amount is emotion.

Go with the car which provides more of the items you want/need in a car. In 6 months there will be another 2 series which tops both.

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Whether the M240 is a "better value" depends on what you value. My guess is that most of us on this board put more value on what the M2 offers. I certainly do.
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Let's be honest, m2 doesn't have 30HP more. Just about the same power and a lot less in tuning potential. 240 is more drivable in the city and has AWD as an option. M2 should dominate on the rest.
So either BMW is misleading us or you might be conflating torque with hp. As for AWD, don't know too many M2 buyers/owners that want to ruin the cars characteristics with that.
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The M in M2 is very different than the M in M240i.

The M in M2 is Motorsports.

The M in M240i is Marketing.

But great comparison review. The 240 is a better value overall, but I suspect the M2 will hold it's resale better. Both will make you smile every time you drive it. The bottom line is if you are doing such a comparison, you don't really want an M car.

The same comparison can be done for the 540 vs M5 and 340 vs M3. Most of it is marketing and a good amount is emotion.

Go with the car which provides more of the items you want/need in a car. In 6 months there will be another 2 series which tops both.

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the M stands for marketing in both cases
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So either BMW is misleading us or you might be conflating torque with hp. As for AWD, don't know too many M2 buyers/owners that want to ruin the cars characteristics with that.
It's well-known that the B series engine in the 240 is more underrated from the factory than the M2's N55. Their actual numbers are right on top of one another. Not a dig on the M2, but a fact that the B58 is very underrated by BMW. Perhaps to protect the M2, as well as the V8 models positioned above it in some lines.
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What about adaptive suspension?
What about it? It's a stupid idea.
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What about it? It's a stupid idea.
I think it can be a good thing, but I didn't see the benefit in the 235 that I had for roughly 18 months. To me, there was no discernible difference for the way the car felt or handled in any of the settings - it was simply too squishy and killed the experience for me.

The fact that there's "less" tuning potential with the M2 is not by accident - if you have the underpinnings of an M3 in the M2 body/wheelbase, and you can get to the same power levels of the M3 easily, then you've got less incentives to go with the bigger car. Similar to the way that Porsche keeps the 911 as king over all, this is a neutering exercise by BMW.
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I can see five reasons why someone would go for a M240i although I prefer the M2:

1) It's available (and discounted)
2) you can affordably lease the M240i because the residuals aren't insanely low
3) you can get it in AWD which has proved quite popular
4) you want more daily drivability.
5) you want the ability to configure the car including colors and options.

The last two will be debated, but many of the side-by-side reviews note the more compliant ride and the list of options unavailable on the M2. Obviously, the folks on this thread disagree, want the features in the M2 unavailable on the M240i, and are willing to wait for them. That said, with these five reasons I can see why some folks would prefer the M240i. Let's not be haters.
Definitely not a hater as the m240 is a fantastic car. My huge confusion comes down to dollars. There are some who would pick the M2 over the M4 price being the same. I would pick the M4 optioned out if it was the same price. Not quite the same thing but I think you see what I'm trying to express. The AWD thing I get but the rest I don't. To me and it's subjective the M2 kills in every category and the value for money is above and beyond even a discounted m240i. Driveability I would have to argue as I have driven both and own an M2 and it handles like a dream even on my piss poor pot holed roads from hell that belong in a war torn third world country.

Personally I would peg the M240 has worth $7k less than the M2 loaded. Or the M2 at $7k more. Equal even with the reasons above I'm still very much
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Definitely not a hater as the m240 is a fantastic car. My huge confusion comes down to dollars. There are some who would pick the M2 over the M4 price being the same. I would pick the M4 optioned out if it was the same price. Not quite the same thing but I think you see what I'm trying to express. The AWD thing I get but the rest I don't. To me and it's subjective the M2 kills in every category and the value for money is above and beyond even a discounted m240i. Driveability I would have to argue as I have driven both and own an M2 and it handles like a dream even on my piss poor pot holed roads from hell that belong in a war torn third world country.

Personally I would peg the M240 has worth $7k less than the M2 loaded. Or the M2 at $7k more. Equal even with the reasons above I'm still very much
The M2 is allocated by both price and time. Buyers are paying a cost in waiting in addition to the price. That's BMW choice -- i.e. not to produce more at this price. They gain from the buzz. Alternatively, they could just charge the $5 to $7K more and watch the waiting list shrink. So the original comparison was really incorrect. It should have been $57K for a M240i today vs $57K for an M2 in a year. Anyway, my two cents...

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It's well-known that the B series engine in the 240 is more underrated from the factory than the M2's N55. Their actual numbers are right on top of one another. Not a dig on the M2, but a fact that the B58 is very underrated by BMW. Perhaps to protect the M2, as well as the V8 models positioned above it in some lines.
It's also well known that M2 numbers are underrated. Only dyno runs done back to back on the same machine and same day/conditions can prove that with certainty. In other words, I'll believe the B58 has close to or the same HP when I see it.

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please explain to me when and how the m2 is used in motorsports other than as a safety car. the m235i racing car is probably the closest this platform has come, to my knowledge the e30 m3 was the last M car directly involved with motorsport.
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Whether the M240 is a "better value" depends on what you value. My guess is that most of us on this board put more value on what the M2 offers. I certainly do.
Me too, but I think the OP is trying to get validation on the idea of NOT getting an M2 and does not want to feel he is "settling" for the M240i.

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Me too, but I think the OP is trying to get validation on the idea of NOT getting an M2 and does not want to feel he is "settling" for the M240i.

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The OP lists a 2017 M2 in his description so I don't think he's looking for validation. But we should let him speak for himself.
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please explain to me when and how the m2 is used in motorsports other than as a safety car. the m235i racing car is probably the closest this platform has come, to my knowledge the e30 m3 was the last M car directly involved with motorsport.
Ok, M in m240i should be small m and designate "Motorsports Light." The "Diet Coke" of Motorsports. "Motorsports Minor!" My point is the M is overused.....like Audi's S-line vs S or RS cars. It's a Marketing Gimmick.

You can argue that the M in M2 is also just marketing, and maybe you're correct to do so, but the nomenclature BMW is using is NUTS at times.

When you look at the two cars, there is clearly a visual distinction. One is an M car and the other is NOT. So drop the M.....go back to the "is" label. i.e. 240is. That used to be the slightly sportier model.

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The OP lists a 2017 M2 in his description so I don't think he's looking for validation. But we should let him speak for himself.
Yes, I see that now, but the post read as though he was still trying to decide.

By the way I was ripped a new one by a member of this board because I made mention of the car he I assumed he was driving (from the same side list) and he went nuts on me. (You know who you are!) I made the evil implication that he did not have an M2 (when his description said he was driving a 135 if I recall correctly) LOL.

To the OP, Get the M2, you will not be disappointed and if you already have one, great choice! But again, anyone would be happy with either car, they are both great vehicles.

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The OP lists a 2017 M2 in his description so I don't think he's looking for validation. But we should let him speak for himself.
Correct. I already own an M2. I voted with my $$$. I wanted to post the best apples to apples comparison. I expect the "total cost of ownership" is going to be significantly less for the M2 than the M240i. The depreciation curve for the M2 is much better than the M2351/M240i. But, where the secondhand market settles for the M2 will depend on production numbers.

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Correct. I already own an M2. I voted with my $$$. I wanted to post the best apples to apples comparison I could since I have seen many discussing huge dollar differences between the two.

I think the TOC is going to be significantly less for the M2 than the M240i. The M2351/M240i is currently suffering from heavy depreciation. I expect the M2 to hold it's value for while. Where it settles will depend on production numbers.

I think my comparisons shows the M2 is a substantially better value.
Thank you for clarifying that! I voted with my $ and passed on an M235ix.

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We're fortunate to have both MY16 M2 and MY17 M240i in our household. My son has the M240i, of course, with adaptive suspension and sunroof.The only other difference is that my M2 is DCT.

Having driven both, we both agree the M2 is definitely much more hard-edged with true M diff, brakes, suspension, and the beautiful sounding exhaust. By comparison, the M240 is so much softer around town, and actually more ideal for that purpose alone.

This weekend, we're both headed to our first autocross with our respective babies. We'll be swapping cars throughout the day which should give us a real seat-of-the-pants comparison on the power delivery, handling and braking on the same closed course. I will try to post our impressions afterward.
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After reading the last 5 comments, I'm going to stick by my five reason someone might chose a :M240i over a M2. It's just tht those reasons don't apply to us. btw-I had a week 25 allocation I rolled over to be first on the list for MY18. We'll see how that turns out... So I understand reason Reason 1 - availability - as well as anyone. We're collectively a patient crew. Cheers to you all!
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I have an M2 and M140i

B58 engine of the M140i is perfect in throttle response maybe even better then the M2.

But active sport steering is not my liking. The M2 steering is much much better.
Why do you have both ?
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