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Bigger brakes only shine over smaller brakes when they are under consistent use, it's about heat management and the ability to resist brake fade and remain consistent. Big brakes have bigger rotors and more pistons applying pressure (generating fiction heat) more evenly across the bigger rotor surfaces. Bigger rotor surface can take more heat and dissipate heat more efficiently. If 2 M2Cs went to the track, 1 with the blue brakes, 1 with the silver, the braking ability might be the same for the first few laps, but at some point the blue brakes will start to fade as they get hot, brake pedal will go spongey and the brakes will no longer consistently slow the car at the same rate, the tire traction is no longer the limiting stopping distance factor. As they cool down the braking capability quickly returns. The silver brakes will also fade but it will take longer (more laps) the average none pro-racer might never reach the higher threshold. If you like to go to the track it's a pretty big deal that they put these brakes on the M2. If you don't go to the track and you have the ability to spec the car with the blue brakes you should to avoid the unsprung weight penalty.
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One thing people are forgetting about is that there is 50kg/110lbs weight difference between two models only if you spec the M2C with 788M wheels and silver BBK. In many markets, you can spec the car with 437m wheels and standard blue brakes. In other words, all this extra weight many people are bitching about here is minimal on comparably equipped cars.
If you are in the US then sell your silver brakes and 788M wheels. Not only you'll save significant unsprung weight but also make profit if you go with 437M wheels and blue brakes (almost brand new blue brakes sell for ~$1K-1.5K as a set on classifieds and I sold my silver brakes for $5K). The look of the wheels are totally subjective. Guess who bought my 788M wheels? An OG M2 owner! I also don't understand the "OG M2 was cheaper" BS. Go try to retrofit the seats, mirrors, CF strut brace, 2NH brakes and all the extra cooling that is required to keep your "piece of art" N55 out of heat soak or limp mode. Let me know if you can do all these for less than $5K. The MSRP price difference between the OG M2 and M2C is worth for the S55 alone. The extra power, extra cooling, CF strut brace, larger brakes, seats, M buttons etc are just the bonus. Yes, N55 sounds great and that's pretty much the only thing it does better than S55. I don't see the weight as a problem because it's pretty easy to shave off a lot of weight off of M2C. Mine is already at 3490lbs with full tank and I'll drop another ~30lbs with an exhaust. Considering how easy it is to reduce weight in M2C and upgrades that it comes with (mainly the S55), I think it's a bargain at $60K. |
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It's a great car to slay tires in :-)
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He got the steering right. He didn't seem too excited about the car...a lesser spirited review by Chris Harris standards.
Harris, BTW, owns a 1M himself.
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I thought it was only me...but, to be very honest here gentlemen....this review was just sooo flat! Does in no way make me feel like I need to get to a dealership and test drive one (if I could) or place an order??? I dunno? Just seems very uninspiring |
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The fact that they still use the smaller blue brakes set up for the current M4 ZHP and didn't feel the need to upgrade them, tells me that they are very capable and sufficient. I believe they only become an issue after massive track abuse. The expectation is that M2C with its shorter wheels base will be more likely opted as a track vehicle, hence the bigger brake option. Reminds of when the 135i now came out; it had fancy 6 piston Brembos but the more expensive E92 335i, with the same exact motor, had standard BMW stoppers.. BMW knew which one of their models was most likely going to be tossed around.. |
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But for an intensive track use, you need a specific set of pads, brake fluid and tubes even with BBK |
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Always funny to see how what Chris Harris has to say is gospel, he is a great driver and great entertainer but all of us should take whatever a journalist/entertainer says with a fairly large grain of salt. How many M2/M2C owners go to the track? How many can and would drive like he does? I track my M2 regularly but still with regular track usage it still represents a small part of what I need from my car and I'm sorry how a car drifts is really not an important metric for a performance car. Having said that I can't wait to get a taste of the M2C on track and on the road to compare. I doubt I would trade my current car in for an M2C but it will likely be on my shopping list in a few years when there are some low mileage used cars available.
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Just because you didn't experience any heat soaking doesn't mean it's not a common problem. Why do you think there are ton of threads on OG M2 forums regarding cooling upgrades? Maybe do some research... Even Matt Farah experienced heat soaking on OG M2 at the track (it's in one of his Youtube videos). Not even gonna mention N55 being an open deck engine and already maxed out from the factory. |
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The video was ok i guess, short but the m2c is not a brand new car.
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There is no better looking wheel than the black 437M. Really. Every time I clean mine, I just cant believe how attractive they are. AND, can you imagine trying to get brake dust out of the 788's? In fact, if I choose to move from my '18 to an M2c, it will be ONLY if I can manage a trade of the 788's to the 437's!
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They kind of remind me of the 1M 359M Style wheel.. Same weight also - 23.9lbs. One of my personal faves: |
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Is that the real sound of the car or is that sound from some bullshit being pumped in thru the speakers?
i've always known the M4's to sound horrible no matter if they were stock or aftermarket...its practically a fact. The sound in the vid would be the best i ever heard from that motor. |
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