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      08-02-2016, 05:49 PM   #89
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sorry but there is no way a "loaded" e46 CSL did 7:22 lap time on the full track.

Thats lower than a GT3 RS 4.0....

It would make more sense if this was a BTG time
That CSL was not stock.
As you can see in the vid, it was a full lap.
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BMW informed Top Gear Germany, there is an inofficial time of 7:52 of the M2 at the Nordschleife. Official time is 7:58(M2)

Sportauto had M2 at 8:01 on a partly moist track. They also had a 1:11.9(Uwe Sener) for the M4 Competition @ Hockenheim short(Issue 8/16 vs C63 Coupé, magazine in front of me )
M2 was 1:12.2(Gebhard) and 1:12.5(Uwe Sener)

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Can you post the time of the Merc from this comparative?
I'm curious also about the final score..
On their website it will not be posted soon enough
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Another angle and more great driving
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Another angle and more great driving
Agree , great driving from this fellow too.

And a whole lotta slow "Porch"es, especially in the corners. Holy crap move over.
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      08-03-2016, 07:53 AM   #93
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Can you post the time of the Merc from this comparative?
I'm curious also about the final score..
On their website it will not be posted soon enough
No worries

C63 S AMG Coupé 1:12.6



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M4 Competition final score 78
AMG C63S Coupe final score 72



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M2 has 245F and 265R tyres (19")
M4 Comp 265F and 285R tyres(20")
this in collaboration with est. 100whp more makes the M4 Comp a staggering 0.3 s faster than the M2 @ British track where Steve Sutcliffe tested the 1M vs M2 vs M4 Comp and at Hockenheim Short.

Wow and a deep bow to the M2(and 1M)

The M4 Comp as tested was> 108k euros, almost double the price of an M2 in Germany.

Nuff said.Party Time.

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Seems legit Robin!

Chicken is the M2 while cow for sure is M4! Which is hidding right now
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For anyone familiar with the 'Ring and the recent changes, how many seconds do you think the flattened section (to avoid accidents due to lift) is worth for a good driver? Seems like pre-revision lap times need an asterisk to assist in comparing times before & after the change.
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That CSL was not stock.
As you can see in the vid, it was a full lap.
I did not watch the vid but if it did that car is far from stock....

Apparently, the official time for a e46 CSL is 7:50
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I did not watch the vid but if it did that car is far from stock....

Apparently, the official time for a e46 CSL is 7:50
It's far from stock
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For anyone familiar with the 'Ring and the recent changes, how many seconds do you think the flattened section (to avoid accidents due to lift) is worth for a good driver? Seems like pre-revision lap times need an asterisk to assist in comparing times before & after the change.
In the meantime they have already canceled those "speed limited" sections. So there are no longer any speed limits.
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In the meantime they have already canceled those "speed limited" sections. So there are no longer any speed limits.



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I know the car is quick but I am more concerned about where we can get that front lip?!
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The M4 Comp as tested was> 108k euros, almost double the price of an M2 in Germany.

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M4 Competition is still 5k cheaper than the Merc. Not as fast in a straight, but much better on track.
I'm curious if they will release an M2 Competition or even a more hardcore one, a GTS version...
Than the track times between the M brothers will be switched with the little one being on top!
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BMW informed Top Gear Germany, there is an inofficial time of 7:52 of the M2 at the Nordschleife. Official time is 7:58(M2)

Sportauto had M2 at 8:01 on a partly moist track. They also had a 1:11.9(Uwe Sener) for the M4 Competition @ Hockenheim short(Issue 8/16 vs C63 Coupé, magazine in front of me )
M2 was 1:12.2(Gebhard) and 1:12.5(Uwe Sener)

[/nerdfacts]

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Track was also a degree or two warmer than the minimum operating temp of the Michelin PSS.

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M2 has 245F and 265R tyres (19")
M4 Comp 265F and 285R tyres(20")
this in collaboration with est. 100whp more makes the M4 Comp a staggering 0.3 s faster than the M2 @ British track where Steve Sutcliffe tested the 1M vs M2 vs M4 Comp and at Hockenheim Short.

Wow and a deep bow to the M2(and 1M)

The M4 Comp as tested was> 108k euros, almost double the price of an M2 in Germany.

Nuff said.Party Time.

Edit, couldn't find the cow but found the chicken!





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And the M2 was a manual, while the CP M4 was DCT. Also, watch the video for a great example of what I like to call F8x-face.

Every video I see of someone driving an F80x M with intent, their face looks like someone who has made the third date curry mistake and is sitting in their girl's bathroom trying to take the quietest crap of their life. It's a combination of deadly seriousness, combined with underlying dread of the consequences of fucking up. Compare and contrast with the videos of everyone driving an M2 hard and not being able to stop smiling and/or laughing. CP owners can have their extra 0.3s quite frankly, there will always be a faster car so I'd rather have the most fun car, which still happens to be faster than 99.99% of cars I'll actually see on the road.
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For anyone familiar with the 'Ring and the recent changes, how many seconds do you think the flattened section (to avoid accidents due to lift) is worth for a good driver? Seems like pre-revision lap times need an asterisk to assist in comparing times before & after the change.
In the meantime they have already canceled those "speed limited" sections. So there are no longer any speed limits.
There were speed limits, but I'm talking about the actual, physical change they've make to the course to "flatten" it over this section to prevent more accidents happening from cars getting light (and possibly lift) over the hump where the GTR had the fatal crash.

Seems like the change must be worth a little time as cars can now stay on power for longer over this stretch.

Maybe it's negligible, but when we're comparing so many cars from so many generations, any variation to the course like this is worth mentioning.
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There were speed limits, but I'm talking about the actual, physical change they've make to the course to "flatten" it over this section to prevent more accidents happening from cars getting light (and possibly lift) over the hump where the GTR had the fatal crash.

Seems like the change must be worth a little time as cars can now stay on power for longer over this stretch.

Maybe it's negligible, but when we're comparing so many cars from so many generations, any variation to the course like this is worth mentioning.
I'm not aware of physical changes they made to those sections. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think they have not changed anything...
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There were speed limits, but I'm talking about the actual, physical change they've make to the course to "flatten" it over this section to prevent more accidents happening from cars getting light (and possibly lift) over the hump where the GTR had the fatal crash.

Seems like the change must be worth a little time as cars can now stay on power for longer over this stretch.

Maybe it's negligible, but when we're comparing so many cars from so many generations, any variation to the course like this is worth mentioning.
I'm not aware of physical changes they made to those sections. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think they have not changed anything...
These articles mention it:

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/08/18/n...s-lifted-2016/

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/nu...es-105752.html
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Every video I see of someone driving an F80x M with intent, their face looks like someone who has made the third date curry mistake and is sitting in their girl's bathroom trying to take the quietest crap of their life. It's a combination of deadly seriousness, combined with underlying dread of the consequences of fucking up. Compare and contrast with the videos of everyone driving an M2 hard and not being able to stop smiling and/or laughing. CP owners can have their extra 0.3s quite frankly, there will always be a faster car so I'd rather have the most fun car, which still happens to be faster than 99.99% of cars I'll actually see on the road.
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