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      12-02-2020, 11:16 AM   #1
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First 1 year Service

Coming up to my 1 year anniversary in late December, and beast is already telling me I'm late for service (??). I have less than <7,000 miles

So, is the 1 year service just a bunch of checks and an oil change? I saw the manual and that's what I think its says, but wanted to check with the experts.

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Its just an oil change and generally its set to 1yr/10K miles whichever is earlier. Either way you should change oil every 5k miles and not wait till 10k
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Its just an oil change and generally its set to 1yr/10K miles whichever is earlier. Either way you should change oil every 5k miles and not wait till 10k
Thats why I'm surprised it started telling me to go in November, when my 1 year is in late December. Maybe 1 year from manufacture (which would be October 2019)?
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Thats why I'm surprised it started telling me to go in November, when my 1 year is in late December. Maybe 1 year from manufacture (which would be October 2019)?
Was your car sitting on the dealer lot from Nov and you bought it on Dec?
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Was your car sitting on the dealer lot from Nov and you bought it on Dec?
No. Manufactured in October 2019, rolled of the truck to dealer in December 2020 and bought by me right away. Maybe it uses the date of manufacture as the starting milestone?
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It should use the date of manufacture for the one year service. You need to take it in.
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It should use the date of manufacture for the one year service. You need to take it in.
Yep, likely. Taking it in tomorrow.
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Its just an oil change and generally its set to 1yr/10K miles whichever is earlier. Either way you should change oil every 5k miles and not wait till 10k
Why are you recommending changing the oil every 5K miles? You just replace the oil or anything else (filters,etc)?
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Why are you recommending changing the oil every 5K miles? You just replace the oil or anything else (filters,etc)?
There are lots of people who dont buy into the manufacturer recc because they suspect the manufacturer is trying to save money (with this free maintenance stuff). I have done annual oil changes on my BMWs since my e46 recommended that (I drive them less than 10k miles a year), and have been fine. No need to change oil every 6 months or 5k miles for me, but people are free to do as they choose.
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Why are you recommending changing the oil every 5K miles? You just replace the oil or anything else (filters,etc)?
Thats what i do for my peace of mind, imo even synthetic oil is not good after 5k miles although BMW recommends 10k intervals
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I just got a voice message from the dealer to schedule my one year service and I purchased in early February 2020. They said I had two weeks before the service was considered late.
Looking through my notes the build date is October 2019 and I'm at just over 4000 miles now.

Odd comment, they said the car had called to set the appointment. Do we have "phone home" functionality?
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I just got a voice message from the dealer to schedule my one year service and I purchased in early February 2020. They said I had two weeks before the service was considered late.
Looking through my notes the build date is October 2019 and I'm at just over 4000 miles now.

Odd comment, they said the car had called to set the appointment. Do we have "phone home" functionality?
There is some way for the cars to communicate back to the mothership now I believe. I called my service rep and asked him if I needed to bring it in for service since car was purchased Nov last year. He said he would do an over the air check (or something to that effect) and let me know what the car said.

Interestingly I haven't heard back from him even though I'm over a year past date of sale and obv date of manuf.
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I just got a voice message from the dealer to schedule my one year service and I purchased in early February 2020. They said I had two weeks before the service was considered late.
Looking through my notes the build date is October 2019 and I'm at just over 4000 miles now.

Odd comment, they said the car had called to set the appointment. Do we have "phone home" functionality?
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There is some way for the cars to communicate back to the mothership now I believe. I called my service rep and asked him if I needed to bring it in for service since car was purchased Nov last year. He said he would do an over the air check (or something to that effect) and let me know what the car said.

Interestingly I haven't heard back from him even though I'm over a year past date of sale and obv date of manuf.
Yes to both. The cars do "phone home", hence you get the VMs from the proactive Service advisors. I emailed mine to let her know I'd come in and she wrote "I will perform a remote key read & verify everything for you and set it up accordingly for you."
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My dealer mentioned to me that I cannot drive more than 5000km beyond when my car says to go for an oil change. Probably voids the warranty. But 5000km (3100 miles) seems like a lot.

I would book an oil & filter change but wouldn't worry if you can't get an appointment for a while.

When did you do the run-in service?
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My dealer mentioned to me that I cannot drive more than 5000km beyond when my car says to go for an oil change. Probably voids the warranty. But 5000km (3100 miles) seems like a lot.

I would book an oil & filter change but wouldn't worry if you can't get an appointment for a while.

When did you do the run-in service?
I'm gonna take it in very soon. I did my run-in exactly at 1200 miles around 2 months into ownership (Feb)
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There are lots of people who dont buy into the manufacturer recc because they suspect the manufacturer is trying to save money (with this free maintenance stuff). I have done annual oil changes on my BMWs since my e46 recommended that (I drive them less than 10k miles a year), and have been fine. No need to change oil every 6 months or 5k miles for me, but people are free to do as they choose.
Correct..... 20 years ago I was even going 10k miles on semi synthetic. Now if you use the wrong stuff its a different story.
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Thats what i do for my peace of mind, imo even synthetic oil is not good after 5k miles although BMW recommends 10k intervals
Agree but....

BMW, as other manufacturers, just make up the service interval to what they think the market will stand and what competitors do.

US has 1 year / 10K, UK has 2 year 15-20K on the same cars, other places have various other intervals. UK has much more short journeys, stop start traffic, cold damp salty weather etc and our interval is twice time and mileage of US one....!?! Go figure.

If it was an "engineer led interval" it would be the same everywhere.

It's marketing led as long as failures etc don't become a PR problem. If you're keeping then for sure halve your service interval at the very least.
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Its just an oil change and generally its set to 1yr/10K miles whichever is earlier. Either way you should change oil every 5k miles and not wait till 10k
Why are you recommending changing the oil every 5K miles? You just replace the oil or anything else (filters,etc)?
I'll change mine every 3k miles, as I did with all my BMW cars.

BMW engines aren't magically any less prone to wear than other engines. The suggested 5k is too long IMO, let alone the recommended 10k.

I know that many hard core oil experts are going to get a field trip hearing this, but that's what I plan on doing. Is 3k better than 5k? - It could be. Will the extra $100 put a dent in my wallet? - No.
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I'll change mine every 3k miles, as I did with all my BMW cars.

BMW engines aren't magically any less prone to wear than other engines. The suggested 5k is too long IMO, let alone the recommended 10k.

I know that many hard core oil experts are going to get a field trip hearing this, but that's what I plan on doing. Is 3k better than 5k? - It could be. Will the extra $100 put a dent in my wallet? - No.
5k is definitely not too long as backed from loads of data on BITOG and UOA over the years. 3k was the norm back with conventional oil. It is no longer the norm with synthetic oil.

Sure its not too much money but it is unnecessary. If you're worried you can always get your own oil analyzed and you'll be able to find a happy interval for your car backed with data.
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My recommendation is to get a blackstone oil analysis kit and send them a sample when you change at 3k or 5k. If they keep coming back clean and no need to change then you'll be able to make an educated decision instead of one made out of abundance of caution.
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My recommendation is to get a blackstone oil analysis kit and send them a sample when you change at 3k or 5k. If they keep coming back clean and no need to change then you'll be able to make an educated decision instead of one made out of abundance of caution.
Synthetic or conventional, the problem is that wear is wear. Period. Microscopic shavings accumulate over time and while oil type does play a role, physics are physics. With every mile, your oil is dirtier, not cleaner. There's no magic here. And it's not rocket science either. More miles = dirtier oil. End of story.

The fact of the matter is that any oil will be more contaminated at 5k miles than it is at 3k miles. That's just common sense.

Now, you can argue that it isn't much dirtier - at least not enough to warrant a more frequent change (based on data) - which I understand. But it's not physically possible for your oil to be cleaner at 5k miles than it is at 3k.

Therefore, your engine *is* actually wearing more at 5k than at 3k. It can be a tiny difference, but it's there.
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Not to take away from the oil debate, but can someone tell me why my SA asked me to bring both keys to the service tomorrow?

First time BMW service has requested both keys for any of my cars.
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