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      02-08-2019, 01:56 PM   #23
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True. Have you done it?

Problem is that most 2C owners are too worried about their warranties and won't tune the car, so what does it matter??

I COULD win the lottery...but if I don't buy a ticket, it doesn't mean much.

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My car is in the middle of the Atlantic so not yet but I will. I also tuned my OG M2 and it was still slow so I punted it and upgraded to a M2C despite not being so hot on the new front bumper/grills and huge brakes.
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Well, no, that's not true. M2C beets M2 only in long courses with long straightaways according to all of the track times I've seen. Side by side that is where the M2C gained on the M2 in the nurburgring, and there are smaller tracks were M2 is 2-3 seconds ahead of M2C at finish.
Just curious, at which track is M2 2-3sec ahead of M2C?


On Magny-Cours (2.7 miles), M2C was almost 4sec ahead of OG M2.
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      02-08-2019, 02:06 PM   #25
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Lol OG M2 owners we are one family don't exaggerate, the M2C is a much faster car
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I don't blame them. I too would be too worried about having my warranty voided to mod them. The turbos can leak, the intercoolers can leak, the oil cooler can be damaged, etc. Too many things can go wrong on these engines to risk voiding your warranty and being saddled with big repair bills.
See.....that list of issues is reason for me to not pursue any F series with that engine.
I am aware that they are "potential" issues and they don't happen to everyone.

But I also want reliability(stock form) and those issue happen on stock vehicles too not just tuned from what I've gathered.

I'm probably going to get heat for this but its probably a blessing in disguise that the first M2s didn't have that engine.

More power to the track rats that get the M2c, it is the more track capable one.
And I'd hope the people that always mention the power ceiling is higher actually do put that to good use and aren't just paper stat warriors.

All this test really shows me is that if I don't track, the newer$ one is no better then the older one for my personal use.


....and to OG owners(myself included), the new one is faster, there is no point in trying to change that fact.
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      02-08-2019, 02:29 PM   #27
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Uh huh, till you tune it and gain 100+ whp. Try doing that with an OG M2.
Guess which car gets top dollars or respect later in their life:

Unmolested stock E46 M3 or modified E46 M3.

Do you still prefer modified E46 M3? I don't think so.

Same thing applies to most of the collectors cars. Modified cars may be faster but majority of people don't give a sh*t including me. When I shop for a used car I look for BONE STOCK cars especially for sports cars.

I would love to see number of people who add 100+ to their M2C in their first few years of ownership. voided powertrain warranty anyone?

Please stop with the "potential" nonsense.
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      02-08-2019, 02:30 PM   #28
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I am 100 percent sure that on some race tracks the M2C will be quicker than the M2 OG and vice versa (with the same driver). The reality is for all of its improvements the M2C added unsprung mass and overall weight, that is not a good thing so it does not surprise me that when measured using their standardized tests they did not find a significant difference. None of us live in a lab and the reality is few of us here can get the full potential out of either of these cars on track so rather than worrying about C&D testing if you want to be faster in either car the weak link is you. I track my M2OG and regularly spank cars that C&D say are faster than mine and I will admit that at times I get spanked by cars that my car has been found to be faster than. We get far too hung up on the cars potential and spend little time on the drivers. Want to go faster? Go to school!
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I don't blame them. I too would be too worried about having my warranty voided to mod them. The turbos can leak, the intercoolers can leak, the oil cooler can be damaged, etc. Too many things can go wrong on these engines to risk voiding your warranty and being saddled with big repair bills.
Damaging the oil cooler can be catastrophic if not careful.

Having said that, I believe insurance would cover that.
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Tire pressure could be off as well.
...could hop a curb into oncoming traffic if not careful.
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Just curious, at which track is M2 2-3sec ahead of M2C?


On Magny-Cours (2.7 miles), M2C was almost 4sec ahead of OG M2.
That's not a short track. Do you see the speeds they are going? M2C is above 130kph for like 95% of the lap. The car spent 17 seconds of the entire lap under 100kph.

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I would imagine the M2C will be featured in the 2020 C&D Lighting Lap. That should give us a good indicator of the differences as it's a good overall track. I have not doubt it will be faster but the OG M2 put down a pretty good lap time on that track.
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Just curious, at which track is M2 2-3sec ahead of M2C?


On Magny-Cours (2.7 miles), M2C was almost 4sec ahead of OG M2.
That's not a short track. Do you see the speeds they are going? M2C is above 130kph for like 95% of the lap. The car spent 17 seconds of the entire lap until 100kph.
That was just an example and 4 sec difference on 2.7-mile track is huge however you wanna put it. You claimed M2 was 3-4sec faster on some tracks so my question remains. Please backup your claim and show us the data.
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Didn't that shit happen like almost 5 years ago now? It's an iconic F82 episode that'll never get old.
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That was just an example and 4 sec difference on 2.7-mile track is huge however you wanna put it. You claimed M2 was 3-4sec faster on some tracks so my question remains. Please backup your claim and show us the data.
You saying it's a huge difference is subjective based on what tracks people are likely to take their car to and how they will use them. My argument was against you saying the M2C is objectively a faster car, which is it not, nor does the video you shown provide argument to that claim.

I already provided links showing the M2 is almost always faster than the M2C, but here is an additional one on a shorter track showing identical times. You can clearly decude from this and the other links I provided that M2 is faster as tracks get smaller. Which is further evidenced by dyno graphs showing the power curve of the S55 compared to N55.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1547685

If you would like to argue that the M2C is ALWAYS faster, that is what I was arguing against and EVERYTHING I showed proves that. Your one video you linked DOES NOTHING to counter that. Sorry.
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You saying it's a huge difference is subjective based on what tracks people are likely to take their car to and how they will use them. My argument was against you saying the M2C is objectively a faster car, which is it not, nor does the video you shown provide argument to that claim.

I already provided links showing the M2 is almost always faster than the M2C, but here is an additional one on a shorter track showing identical times. You can clearly decude from this and the other links I provided that M2 is faster as tracks get smaller. Which is further evidenced by dyno graphs showing the power curve of the S55 compared to N55.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1547685

If you would like to argue that the M2C is ALWAYS faster, that is what I was arguing against and EVERYTHING I showed proves that. Your one video you linked DOES NOTHING to counter that. Sorry.
Firstly, the person you quoted first on this thread is someone else as I never claimed M2C is objectively a faster car. However, you are trying to put words in my mouth so I don't see any point arguing with you.

I asked you a simple question and you continue with your BS speculation. Show me a single track test where OG M2 is 3-4sec quicker than M2C. Plain and simple. The Hockenheim results are dead even, I don't see 3-4sec difference. Even on such a short track (1.6mile) the results are pretty even. I hope you understand that the more you shorten the track the closer the results are gonna get. What's next? Are you gonna say if the track was half a mile shorter, then we would see the 3-4sec difference? lol.

As I said, you still couldn't answer my question. Until you provide concrete proof that M2 is 3-4sec faster on some tracks, just stop speculating.
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Give me my OG M2 against any of you M2Chumps and I’ll beat you by 3-4-sec on a track.

Hah, jk. Had to say it with all the mud slinging going on!
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Give me my OG M2 against any of you M2Chumps and I’ll beat you by 3-4-sec on a track.

Hah, jk. Had to say it with all the mud slinging going on!
Deal! Bring your OG M2 to west coast and I'll cover your track cost at the track of your choice. Laguna Seca or Thunderhill (any configuration 2-mile, 3-mile, or 5-mile) Then we can switch cars and try the other way around assuming yours is 6MT as well

Joking aside, both great cars and only on Bimmerpost (or forums in general) people get this heated lol. Not gonna lie, I sometimes get carried away too unfortunately. A good portion of my friends are OG M2 owners and this type of discussions never happen in real life. We all enjoy what we have while still appreciating others' cars.
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Deal! Bring your OG M2 to west coast and I'll cover your track cost at the track of your choice. Laguna Seca or Thunderhill (any configuration 2-mile, 3-mile, or 5-mile) Then we can switch cars and try the other way around assuming yours is 6MT as well

Joking aside, both great cars and only on Bimmerpost (or forums in general) people get this heated lol. Not gonna lie, I sometimes get carried away too unfortunately. A good portion of my friends are OG M2 owners and this type of discussions never happen in real life. We all enjoy what we have while still appreciating others' cars.
That’d be a blast, and same thoughts. I don’t really care which car is faster or the same by an auto mag. We each like what we like.

I’m all about helping anyone get quicker on track regardless of their ride. I’ve shared my Laptimer data with many M2 guys to find where I was kicking their butts and where they where kicking mine.
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My car is in the middle of the Atlantic so not yet but I will. I also tuned my OG M2 and it was still slow so I punted it and upgraded to a M2C despite not being so hot on the new front bumper/grills and huge brakes.
Great to hear! So many of these 2c guys are quoting the potential of the S55 but never intend to actually take advantage of it. I totally would.
Personally, I would have done the same as you re: swap, but I have heavily modified my OG, so financially it just did not make sense...plus my car is same or better than a stock 2c anyway, except for maybe the brakes, which apart from the engine, is about the only thing I haven't changed, lol.

Interested in seeing some of your numbers once you get it set up. GL!
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Guess which car gets top dollars or respect later in their life:

Unmolested stock E46 M3 or modified E46 M3.

Do you still prefer modified E46 M3? I don't think so.

Same thing applies to most of the collectors cars. Modified cars may be faster but majority of people don't give a sh*t including me. When I shop for a used car I look for BONE STOCK cars especially for sports cars.

I would love to see number of people who add 100+ to their M2C in their first few years of ownership. voided powertrain warranty anyone?

Please stop with the "potential" nonsense.
A tuned M2C is like a stock M4. Same exact engine. A tuned M2C may not be pushed beyond its limits because they took the stock tune of the S55 and retuned it's intended performance to be reduced below what it was originally designed to be.


Sure a collector will want one that's never tuned, if collectors care about the M2C at all. I wouldn't give a shit though, they won't be making too many more cars like this, seems like a keeper to me if you like it.

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Car and Driver always has the fastest times for the OG M2. 0-60 in 4.0 where other tests were a bit higher. Some had 0-100 at 10.3 and I remember one even said 11.0. 6.0+ seconds from 60-100 versus 5.0 seconds is a pretty significant difference.

All that being said, both cars are more than enough for a street car so arguing over tenths is silly.
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Firstly, the person you quoted first on this thread is someone else as I never claimed M2C is objectively a faster car. However, you are trying to put words in my mouth so I don't see any point arguing with you.

I asked you a simple question and you continue with your BS speculation. Show me a single track test where OG M2 is 3-4sec quicker than M2C. Plain and simple. The Hockenheim results are dead even, I don't see 3-4sec difference. Even on such a short track (1.6mile) the results are pretty even. I hope you understand that the more you shorten the track the closer the results are gonna get. What's next? Are you gonna say if the track was half a mile shorter, then we would see the 3-4sec difference? lol.

As I said, you still couldn't answer my question. Until you provide concrete proof that M2 is 3-4sec faster on some tracks, just stop speculating.
You are the one putting words into my mouth. Words that I've corrected twice already. So I can't even bear to read anything you wrote anymore. I don't get why you're so butthurt over stats that you can't have a logical argument, but whatever. I gave my data for my claims and you ignored it.
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