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      02-22-2019, 06:26 AM   #45
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I always found my OG M2 DCT a bit breathless beyond 200kmh(124mph) but the M2C pulls through. The needle sways through 125/130/135/...mph in the 'blink of an eye' . My OG stock M2 did not do that. 100%

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I always found my OG M2 DCT a bit breathless beyond 200kmh(124mph) but the M2C pulls through. The needle sways through 125/130/135/...mph in the 'blink of an eye' . My OG stock M2 did not do that. 100%

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Robin,

Time difference between 100-200 and 60-130 is roughly 1 sec. Which is why I was saying M2C advantage goes from 1-1.2s to 1.5s tops.

I timed way more runs than most of guys here in past few years.

At 200kph (real world pace, not odometer) OG is already at 5th, there is no sudden asthma from there.

I've already said M2C is two levels above OG acceleration wise stock for stock, but not 3s quicker in 60-130. You know what 3s really is? 3s is like going from first gen PWG N55 to the M2.
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Robin,

Time difference between 100-200 and 60-130 is roughly 1 sec. Which is why I was saying M2C advantage goes from 1-1.2s to 1.5s tops.

I timed way more runs than most of guys here in past few years.

At 200kph (real world pace, not odometer) OG is already at 5th, there is no sudden asthma from there.

I've already said M2C is two levels above OG acceleration wise stock for stock, but not 3s quicker in 60-130. You know what 3s really is? 3s is like going from first gen PWG N55 to the M2.
60-130 isn't the same as 100-200...I will not repeat myself over and over again.

As stated by C&D:60-130 It's 3 seconds. Period. Sorry but that's a fact


200-210kmh (124-130mph )is a very slow process relatively in OG M2 compared to M2C.

I had an OG M2 DCT and now have an M2C. You?

Whatever, I just wanted to explain to you the difference between MPH and KMH numbers but if you do not get that, what else can I say or do?

Just write an email to C& D that they are so plain wrong and you know everything better(it seems) LOL



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whynare you guys fighting? We are supposed to roast Audi not our own brethren.
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I always found my OG M2 DCT a bit breathless beyond 200kmh(124mph) but the M2C pulls through. The needle sways through 125/130/135/...mph in the 'blink of an eye' . My OG stock M2 did not do that. 100%

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Robin,

Time difference between 100-200 and 60-130 is roughly 1 sec. Which is why I was saying M2C advantage goes from 1-1.2s to 1.5s tops.

I timed way more runs than most of guys here in past few years.

At 200kph (real world pace, not odometer) OG is already at 5th, there is no sudden asthma from there.

I've already said M2C is two levels above OG acceleration wise stock for stock, but not 3s quicker in 60-130. You know what 3s really is? 3s is like going from first gen PWG N55 to the M2.
Lucky for m2c owners they can do 7.1s in a MT car for under 1000 bucks.
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whynare you guys fighting? We are supposed to roast Audi not our own brethren.
Its the same old story. Owners of previous gen almost always hate on the newer gen. Admittedly, the hate from M2 to M2C (and 981 to 718) is some of the worst I've seen.
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Its the same old story. Owners of previous gen almost always hate on the newer gen. Admittedly, the hate from M2 to M2C (and 981 to 718) is some of the worst I've seen.
It goes both ways, boys. The infighting has been relentless. It sure does make for good keyboard battles though, no?
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If this car ever gets the S58 I'll consider it.
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If this car ever gets the S58 I'll consider it.
The day this car gets a civic type R motor, I'll consider it.
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whynare you guys fighting? We are supposed to roast Audi not our own brethren.
Its the same old story. Owners of previous gen almost always hate on the newer gen. Admittedly, the hate from M2 to M2C (and 981 to 718) is some of the worst I've seen.
Not really hating, people can be pragmatic here, or can they not? The difference obviously isn't 3 seconds from 60-130. 3 seconds is much more than one may think at first.

I am also very involved in 100-200 and similar timings and I know that for a fact. It really is about 1.5 secs from 100-210.

From 100-200 the M2C does about 10secs, whereas the M2 about 11,x. Expecting 2 seconds difference from 200-210 is lunatic. Are we comparing the M2C with the OG M2 or with a Golf 2.0 TDI?

Btw, I've ordered the M2C and it will be my first BMW, so I'm not biased.
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Facts? Have you driven OG M2 and M2C 60-130mph (96.5-209kmh)

So C&D tested an actual M2C doing that in 3s faster than OG M2 60-130mph.

As I already stated I find that conclusion plausible because I myself find the M2C way stronger above 160kmh(100mph and above 200kmh(124mph) than my ex OG M2...

So why are C&D's facts and my (same) experience doubtful? I do not get this.


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Here is a factual comparison of both cars' performances: http://www.zeperfs.com/en/duel5975-7280.htm
The values shown are average values from car magazine tests.
Let's see the value for 0-250km/h (0-155.3 mph): 29.6s for the M2, 29.4s for the M2C.
80-180 km/h (49.7 - 111.8 mph) then? 8.6s for the M2, 8.5s for the M2C.
Sure, the M2C is an amazing car, and is faster than the M2, especially when the air is hot. But not THAT faster
Robin, sorry to bother you again, but based on the problems that you encountered with your previous M2 (engine breathless above 200kmh, multiple limp-modes even on the high way), my guess is that your car had a serious issue and that you would have done better complaining to BMW instead of buying them a new car
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Facts? Have you driven OG M2 and M2C 60-130mph (96.5-209kmh)

So C&D tested an actual M2C doing that in 3s faster than OG M2 60-130mph.

As I already stated I find that conclusion plausible because I myself find the M2C way stronger above 160kmh(100mph and above 200kmh(124mph) than my ex OG M2...

So why are C&D's facts and my (same) experience doubtful? I do not get this.


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Robin, feeling is subjective. You should know this.

As an example I now have in mind, my father in law has a Cayenne GTS V8 and I feel like it easily does <5 seconds from 0-100. We measured 6 (without LC). So much for feeling!

The measurements from all magazines need to be taken with a grain of salt. Many simply don't know how to do it, measure without correcting times (if driving with a slope uphill or downhill), drive below bridges where you lose signal for a while, etc. Besides this, many magazines measure with the car packed with video equipment inside and 2 people, which makes times questionable. All in all, times should always be compared on same conditions.

Fact #1: M2C does about 10.0 from 100-200 km/h. Many people have measured this already with one person in the car and corrected times. A few even below 10.0, as well as a few above.
M2 does it in 11,2-11,5. All times taken for DCT.

Fact #2: there will never, ever, be a >1 sec difference from 200 to 210. This doesn't have to be discussed, it's that obvious.

I'm not personally attacking you, I'm just trying to show you that what you feel doesn't really correspond to the reality 1:1.
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If this car ever gets the S58 I'll consider it.
The S58 should have been in the OG M2 since day one.
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The S58 should have been in the OG M2 since day one.
Hopefully the performance will be greater than that of the M2C over the OG...
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The S58 should have been in the OG M2 since day one.
It wasn’t finished, though.
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Here is factual comparison of instrumented testing from C&D:

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It's hilarious that C&D titled their test like that. I assume they're laughing at threads like these where nobody bothered to fact check their own numbers.

From their own published test data for the M2 vs the M2C:

0-100mph 10.2, 9.1 seconds
0-130mph 19.1, 15.9 seconds
60-130mph 15.0, 11.9 seconds

Of course it's not the least bit surprising the 0-60 times are very close as that is so much dependent on hooking up the tires, and the M2C has a ton of torque and it's pretty hard to hook the tires cleanly (from personal experience) as it comes on so hard.

So their own test data show the M2C to be significantly faster. The M2C will open up an ever increasing gap that becomes huge.
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Here is factual comparison of instrumented testing from C&D:

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It's hilarious that C&D titled their test like that. I assume they're laughing at threads like these where nobody bothered to fact check their own numbers.

From their own published test data for the M2 vs the M2C:

0-100mph 10.2, 9.1 seconds
0-130mph 19.1, 15.9 seconds
60-130mph 15.0, 11.9 seconds

Of course it's not the least bit surprising the 0-60 times are very close as that is so much dependent on hooking up the tires, and the M2C has a ton of torque and it's pretty hard to hook the tires cleanly (from personal experience) as it comes on so hard.

So their own test data show the M2C to be significantly faster. The M2C will open up an ever increasing gap that becomes huge.
Personally I think CD's OG M2 0-130mph of 19.1 seconds is unusually slow. I have not seen such gap in all of European magazine's 0-200km/h tests, unless the new M2C just takes off right after 200km/h. I will try to find if there are any 0-250km/h test results for the OG M2.
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I've never owned a M2, but I drove both M2 and M2C and it's clear that the competition is noticeably faster, the OG M2 has a strong low-end torque but everything that happens over 3000rpm on the M2C is unattainable to the M2, I can't say now many seconds but no chance to compete. And at high speed the power at the top makes the difference.
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If people still think 0-200kmh is exactly 60-130mph

And the people who think those numbers are the same, even stated they haven't driven both cars in comparison at that speeds and doubt C&D for it.
And take the rest for granted even if the rest doesn't do 60-130mph tests.

Bravo.

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Tadaa, 3.4s faster than OG M2....


Sometimes OG almost equals M2C's lap/sprinttimes, sometimes it does not.
There are many factors involved. C& D had a slower(...) OG M2 and a faster(...)M2C obviously and so did those French guys.

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