[GoneIn4Secs]

Long live the OG!

[Io]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

I almost thought you were joking here. Yes the M2C is rated at 405hp @ 5230–7000rpms (USA spec), and the point is completely about the "area under the hp vs rpm curve"...

No joke here. To bring a bit of math to the discussion, I would answer that the character of an engine is more in the derivate of its power curve than in its integral. A constant acceleration over the last 2000 rpm is not as fun as an ever increasing push up to the redline, even if it gives similar performances.
Look at the power curves of a GT4 or 911s. Do they become all flat in the last 2000 rpms? Nope...

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by Io

No joke here. To bring a bit of math to the discussion, I would answer that the character of an engine is more in the derivate of its power curve than in its integral. A constant acceleration over the last 2000 rpm is not as fun as an ever increasing push up to the redline, even if it gives similar performances.
Look at the power curves of a GT4 or 911s. Do they become all flat in the last 2000 rpms? Nope...

I can confirm that the move from 5000-7500rpms in the M2C is not only fun as heck, but you better have your act together especially with DSC off and in 1st or 2nd gear. I understand the rush to a peak that a normally aspirated beast motor has...I also have an E90 M3 and back-to-back drive them all the time. I was specifically commenting on your comment about the M2C "what the point if the power remains constant from 5250rpm" -- the point is that car is a beast in that power range and accelerates like a crazy. Area under the power curves matters and matter a lot. The M2C pulls strongly well past 7k rpms and actually feels more like a normally aspirated motor than the N55.

[GerardzM]

These aren't M cars of the past....the redline gets lower and lower with just about every new introduction and emission regulation.

I don't get it. These are turbo cars not NA. I've driven my share of rev happy cars and for me, revving out an engine is no fun if there isn't any thrust felt.

It's more torque for the pork! These cars are getting crazy hefty!

Imo that is more exhilarating on a day to day basis.

[CosmosMpower]

These threads are funny, most the people that own these cars never even approach 75% of the full potential regardless of which model they own.

[amancuso]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

These threads are funny, most the people that own these cars never even approach 75% of the full potential regardless of which model they own.

[.2pdk]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

These threads are funny, most the people that own these cars never even approach 75% of the full potential regardless of which model they own.

Bingo, which is why I prefer the down low to the top end...

[MR_M2]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

These threads are funny, most the people that own these cars never even approach 75% of the full potential regardless of which model they own.

Brah, I can buy a $50 tune, make it pump out 8000rwhp and then I can use my supervisor driving skills and drive the car in straight line.
100% powah all the time. Come at me bro.

[switzerr]

I enjoyed poking around the M2C at the auto show . . . but all that did was make we want to drive mine even more.

[stylinexpat]

Originally Posted by Anthony1s

According to this site, M2C is only faster on Nurburgring, in 0-XX mph tests but not when tests are done in kph(?) and 1/4 mile.

https://fastestlaps.com/models/bmw-m2-n-a
https://fastestlaps.com/models/bmw-m2-competition

The way to tell is to look at the trap speed at the 1/4 mile where you see that they M2C trapped 116 MPH where they did not show the MPH for the regular M2 but based off the 0-110 and 0-120 MPH and times one can guess that the trap speed is around 112 MPH for the 1/4 mile which is roughly a 4 MPH difference

[.2pdk]

Originally Posted by stylinexpat

The way to tell is to look at the trap speed at the 1/4 mile where you see that they M2C trapped 116 MPH where they did not show the MPH for the regular M2 but based off the 0-110 and 0-120 MPH and times one can guess that the trap speed is around 112 MPH for the 1/4 mile which is roughly a 4 MPH difference

OMG you're right...the M2C is light years ahead of the OG.

I'm gonna sue BMW for diminished value...

[termigni]

When I go spirited driving in my S2000 (not a CR) or M2 (not a Comp) with group of guys with Ferraris, Lamborghinis, McLarens and modified GT-Rs, nobody talks like: "...trap speed is around 112 MPH for the 1/4 mile which is roughly a 4 MPH difference!!!..OMG my car is from GOD!! because my car can do 0.1 sec faster than your car 0-60!!"

What is it in this forum? do you guys all participate in some serious racing events? It's the same as a 250lbs fat dude puts on a $1000 carbon fiber part on their sport bike, goes to local Starbucks, tells people that he saved 2lbs from his sick CF part, and rides right back home to wash it. This forum is becoming Starbucks flex zone.

[.2pdk]

Originally Posted by termigni

When I go spirited driving in my S2000 (not a CR) or M2 (not a Comp) with group of guys with Ferraris, Lamborghinis, McLarens and modified GT-Rs, nobody talks like: "...trap speed is around 112 MPH for the 1/4 mile which is roughly a 4 MPH difference!!!..OMG my car is from GOD!! because my car can do 0.1 sec faster than your car 0-60!!"

What is it in this forum? do you guys all participate in some serious racing events? It's the same as a 250lbs fat dude puts on a $1000 carbon fiber part on their sport bike, goes to local Starbucks, tells people that he saved 2lbs from his sick CF part, and rides right back home to wash it. This forum is becoming Starbucks flex zone.

Unfortunately it's human nature...

[M-Supra]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

Uh huh, till you tune it and gain 100+ whp. Try doing that with an OG M2.

I'm getting close if not past that number with basic mods + Dinan turbo ($1750)

[BBoyM3]

Originally Posted by M-Supra

I'm getting close if not past that number with basic mods + Dinan turbo ($1750)

I'm going to put performance and track stickers on my windows on my OG. Done.

I love my M2. I'm glad the M2C is better in several ways. If not, why would they make it in the first place? I hope the CS/CSL is even better. It's the natural progression. Yay for us car enthusiats!

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by M-Supra

I'm getting close if not past that number with basic mods + Dinan turbo ($1750)

You're not making 530 rwhp with basic mods and a dinan turbo, I don't care what you say. You might be making 100 + whp on top of the OG M2, 330 rwhp but I doubt that and even if it's true that's what a S55 makes stock. Put an aftermarket turbo on supporting mods on a S55 and you're making 700+ whp.

You're not going to win an argument about the tuneability of N55 vs. S55.

[M2driverWV]

Wow thread has gone sideways. I know the 2c is better performance wise for sure. I'm happy with my LCI as I tend to keep a car for a long time and no doubt the N55 is/will be much cheaper to maintain in the long run in my case with its much simpler systems than the S55. I am a DIY guy and fully maintain all of my vehicles and the N55 has been around a long time and has shown to be reliable that's the only reason I'm sticking to the '18 and not trading up.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by BBoyM3

I'm going to put performance and track stickers on my windows on my OG. Done.

I love my M2. I'm glad the M2C is better in several ways. If not, why would they make it in the first place? I hope the CS/CSL is even better. It's the natural progression. Yay for us car enthusiats!

They made it because emissions laws changed, otherwise it wouldn't have gotten the same upgrades.

[M-Supra]

Originally Posted by BBoyM3

I'm going to put performance and track stickers on my windows on my OG. Done.

I love my M2. I'm glad the M2C is better in several ways. If not, why would they make it in the first place? I hope the CS/CSL is even better. It's the natural progression. Yay for us car enthusiats!

[KeepItlow]

BMW could have given M2C the full output of 445hp to match the M3/4 Comp, which in my opinion will make it more appealing. Instead they detuned it down and so that the M2 CS/CSL could get the full engine output

[Project_F87]

I worked with cookiesowns for my custom tune on my N55 M2 with full bolt ons. The fuel pumps were 100% the limiting factor, crashing at or very slightly above 15-16 PSI of boost (peak boost, not while in overboost). You need to learn to be more humble and stop firing back about stuff that obviously is the truth. Making yourself look like a child on this forum..

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by .2pdk

What kind of bump should I expect from a safe conservative tune such as Dinan S1 for example?

NEW RELEASE: Dinan S1 F87 M2 -- Exhaust, Intake and Tune https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1296136


Dinan's take on the M2's potential: