[Project_F87]

Originally Posted by Kef9

I plan on keeping my OG m2 15 years. I got that out of my Audi s3 before replacing it with an m2. I reckon I have a better chance with an n55 than a s55 or even an S58 (timing chain position).

I don’t track my car.

I’ve heard the s55 is lazy when town driving. My n55 gives you instant shove at any rpm.

I have an MPE and it sounds amazing.
The s55 and the s58 both sound blah.

I actually prefer everything about the pre lci (bought on purpose rather than an lci) from the dash, tail lights and xenons (worked faultless for 15 years in the Audi).

For uk roads I feel the car is already traction limited and powerful enough. If it was 4WD that would be different but then where is the fun in that (I would of got an RS3 if I wanted the fastest point to point car).

Basically the car has everything I want and more and even if someone offered me an lci or m2c I wouldn’t even do a straight trade. You can call me delusional if you want but I don’t care because it’s what I like and that’s what matters. I don’t need anybody’s approval or otherwise. Everybody has their own take at the end of the day.

I don’t know why people are wasting their breath replying to this guy.

omg we get it the N55 M2 is so much better than the M2C... Literally so much better

[PilotxERAU]

Originally Posted by Project_F87

omg we get it the N55 M2 is so much better than the M2C... Literally so much better

https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/02/22/manhart-racing-plans-mhx4-600-with-600-hp/

Lots of tuning potential.

[PilotxERAU]

Originally Posted by PilotxERAU

https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/02/22/manhart-racing-plans-mhx4-600-with-600-hp/

Lots of tuning potential.

600 hp target for Manhart with the S58. If the next M2 gets this engine we will need slicks on the rear.

[Dav3]

Originally Posted by Kef9

I plan on keeping my OG m2 15 years. I got that out of my Audi s3 before replacing it with an m2. I reckon I have a better chance with an n55 than a s55 or even an S58 (timing chain position).

I don’t track my car.

I’ve heard the s55 is lazy when town driving. My n55 gives you instant shove at any rpm.

I have an MPE and it sounds amazing.
The s55 and the s58 both sound blah.

I actually prefer everything about the pre lci (bought on purpose rather than an lci) from the dash, tail lights and xenons (worked faultless for 15 years in the Audi).

For uk roads I feel the car is already traction limited and powerful enough. If it was 4WD that would be different but then where is the fun in that (I would of got an RS3 if I wanted the fastest point to point car).

Basically the car has everything I want and more and even if someone offered me an lci or m2c I wouldn’t even do a straight trade. You can call me delusional if you want but I don’t care because it’s what I like and that’s what matters. I don’t need anybody’s approval or otherwise. Everybody has their own take at the end of the day.

I don’t know why people are wasting their breath replying to this guy.

I’ve heard the s55 is lazy when town driving. My n55 gives you instant shove at any rpm.

[Kef9]

I aim to please.

Cheers 🥂

[AngryBaby]

Since this thread is now seriously derailed, I'll (sort of) get things back on track by saying my big question right now is G80 M3 Pure vs next-gen M2 (with detuned Pure version S58 or +tuned B58) when I sell the F87.

If the Pure is a lot of fun then maybe add some light-weight mods and CF bits and enjoy what really might be the last 6MT M3 ever. Or....maybe just get the (hopefully) perfectly balanced M2 with extended leather and/or individual option, which just has to happen because I say so.

Can't wait to find out where to spend my money!!

[Project_F87]

Originally Posted by PilotxERAU

https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/02/22/manhart-racing-plans-mhx4-600-with-600-hp/

Lots of tuning potential.

I was being sarcastic lol M2C is absolutely better than the M2

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by AngryBaby

Since this thread is now seriously derailed, I'll (sort of) get things back on track by saying my big question right now is G80 M3 Pure vs next-gen M2 (with detuned Pure version S58 or +tuned B58) when I sell the F87.

If the Pure is a lot of fun then maybe add some light-weight mods and CF bits and enjoy what really might be the last 6MT M3 ever. Or....maybe just get the (hopefully) perfectly balanced M2 with extended leather and/or individual option, which just has to happen because I say so.

Can't wait to find out where to spend my money!!

My bet is on the next gen M2 getting a B58. I think the S58 power numbers are too high for a smaller car like the M2 and as well it will come down to keeping the M2 price competitive.

[Fear-Mongrel]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

My bet is on the next gen M2 getting a B58. I think the S58 power numbers are too high for a smaller car like the M2 and as well it will come down to keeping the M2 price competitive.

If it were to go that way, what's the prediction...more people disappointed it's not an "S" series engine, or everyone just happy it's a sturdy closed-deck motor that sounds good? Just wondering if the B58 will be enough, or will there be too many people asking why an S58 can be had in family-hauler SUVs but not BMW's best (arguably) track-worthy coupe...

[akkando]

Originally Posted by afwares

If it were to go that way, what's the prediction...more people disappointed it's not an "S" series engine, or everyone just happy it's a sturdy closed-deck motor that sounds good? Just wondering if the B58 will be enough, or will there be too many people asking why an S58 can be had in family-hauler SUVs but not BMW's best (arguably) track-worthy coupe...

Everyone would just wait for the S58 version I assume.

Fool me once....

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by akkando

Everyone would just wait for the S58 version I assume.

Fool me once....

I don't know if the S55 engine makes it into the M2 if it's not for the N55 not meeting emissions. I doubt that's going to be an issue next generation.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

I don't know if the S55 engine makes it into the M2 if it's not for the N55 not meeting emissions. I doubt that's going to be an issue next generation.

Without emissions the S55 goes into the CS version of the car. Emissions happened so it went into the base/competion car (base car now)

[CrashFL]

Are they seriously going to debut their new S5X engine in an SUV?????? Sign of the times, my friend. Sign of the times.

Naturally, it will be detuned for the M2. Just like Porsche won't put a 600 hp flat six in the Cayman because of their reverence for the 911.

[aerokubectl]

Originally Posted by akkando

Without emissions the S55 goes into the CS version of the car. Emissions happened so it went into the base/competion car (base car now)

This!

[Estoril6rod]

Originally Posted by FiatMultiplaAkrapovic

To be honest, there's a much bigger gap between the original N55 based M2 and the current S55 Competition than between the latter and the upcoming S58

M2 is a short wheel base, RWD mini-coupe. There's only so much power it can handle. N55 has asthma over 100km/h and an upgrade of engine was more than warranted. S55 power is imho close to the max power the car should have for safe driving. You can put 600hp in the M2 but it'll struggle putting all that power down, so what are you really achieving?

N55 in M2 is simply not a real M engine. The original BMW M2 shouldn't even be considered a real M car. It's truthfully nothing more than a commercialised spiritual successor to the 1M. Had BMW called it the 2M and limited its supply it would have made a lot more sense. M2 Competition with S55 is what the M2 should have been from the start. People won't like hearing this but it's kinda the truth. BMW facked all 1st gen M2 owners (me included).

The asthma part made me laugh so hard, though I have to point out that 100km/h is just over 60mph.. come on, its not that bad... some hardware mods and a proper tune go a long way in making the N55 in both the M235i and the original M2 a more responsive engine, though I agree that there is a limit and the engine (especially the M2 N55) could sure use an albuterol mist in the intake pipe

[GoneIn4Secs]

Its just an extra small oem turbo that bmw used for the n55

Its not that big of a deal

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

Its just an extra small oem turbo that bmw used for the n55

Its not that big of a deal

Cooling is a problem with the N55. My M235i developed limp mode just driving hard in the mountains on a hot day. If you want to mod the N55 to catch up with the S55, it doesn't take long to run up a big mod bill.

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by CrashFL

Are they seriously going to debut their new S5X engine in an SUV?????? Sign of the times, my friend. Sign of the times.

Naturally, it will be detuned for the M2. Just like Porsche won't put a 600 hp flat six in the Cayman because of their reverence for the 911.

I don't see a problem, the motor is ready and the X3/X4 cycle happen to line up with the new motor. Also people are buying a lot more SUV's than coupes and sedans these days. Having a 500 hp usable SUV doesn't sound like a bad product.

Lots of people in the X3M forum are talking about jumping ship from their F80's to the X3M. I'm thinking about replacing my 16 M3 with one depending on pricing/discounts available.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

I don't see a problem, the motor is ready and the X3/X4 cycle happen to line up with the new motor. Also people are buying a lot more SUV's than coupes and sedans these days. Having a 500 hp usable SUV doesn't sound like a bad product.

Lots of people in the X3M forum are talking about jumping ship from their F80's to the X3M. I'm thinking about replacing my 16 M3 with one depending on pricing/discounts available.

Maybe they work out some bugs on the X3M and X4M before it hits the M3 anyway, blessing in disguise.

[quikM2]

I had a 2017 M2. Sold it. It was great but nothing more and the interior was pretty bad. The M2C addresses the want for M2 drive and feel and power bump with an M4 interior. Now thats pretty slick. The ultimate for me though will be the upcoming M3 Pure. If it's the last 6MT in a BMW body than it's a must have for me. After that I will have to consider porsche with I tried to avoid solely and unfortunately only due to stigma as I think it will be the only high performance manual left standing. the M3 and M4 pure though sound absolutely amazing. My true dream of an AWD manual M3 fell just short

[Dav3]

Originally Posted by quikM2

I had a 2017 M2. Sold it. It was great but nothing more and the interior was pretty bad. The M2C addresses the want for M2 drive and feel and power bump with an M4 interior. Now thats pretty slick. The ultimate for me though will be the upcoming M3 Pure. If it's the last 6MT in a BMW body than it's a must have for me. After that I will have to consider porsche with I tried to avoid solely and unfortunately only due to stigma as I think it will be the only high performance manual left standing. the M3 and M4 pure though sound absolutely amazing. My true dream of an AWD manual M3 fell just short

OG M2 interior is almost indistinguishable from the cheapest 1-series. That's what bothered me the most.

I still don't fully understand why they couldn't at least throw some M seats from the start. I hope it was a plant production limitation or some bean counting cost saving because if anyone thought "Polar Blue Stitching" was an actual valid alternative to the M seats I'd be quite impressed with the arrogance of it.

In regard to the Pure M3... The M2 was hyped as one of the last real 6MT to be produced by BMW. I think it's actually more marketing than truth tbh. Just look at the M2 sale numbers. MT is still very popular in the US, there's no reason for them to stop producing them. Worst case scenario, MT will stop being sold in Europe to meet the more pressing environmental standards but will still be sold in the US.

[ND40oz]

Originally Posted by akkando

Maybe they work out some bugs on the X3M and X4M before it hits the M3 anyway, blessing in disguise.

The S63 debuted in the E70 and E71. When the F10 got it, it included the update to the first version with valvetronic.

But it's not like it's unprecedented for a new S engine to debut in an SAV, after all, it is what happened with the first X5 M and X6 M and that tradition continues with the first X3 M and X4 M.