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      01-24-2017, 07:16 AM   #67
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You should swing by for the 'undercard' event!
I'd love to, but I think I'm picking up my car from detail shop that day. I will get out there sometime though.

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I'd love to, but I think I'm picking up my car from detail shop that day. I will get out there sometime though.
We don't have anything scheduled up yet but definitely feel free to stop by whenever!
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We don't have anything scheduled up yet but definitely feel free to stop by whenever!
Sorry, I thought it was going down this weekend. Thanks for the invite!
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Sorry, I thought it was going down this weekend. Thanks for the invite!
We still have to fabricate the downpipe so once that's all finished up we will get an install and dyno run scheduled up! I'm sure auf Deutsch will be posting in here when he's heading down. If you can make it, that would be awesome.
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Gotcha, I'll keep my eyes peeled.
What's the time from order to delivery for these DP's?
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Gotcha, I'll keep my eyes peeled.
What's the time from order to delivery for these DP's?
It depends on a couple different circumstances. We recently had a handful of orders get placed from Black Friday/Cyber Monday, then the holidays which pushed our lead times back a little. But we are consistently within a 2-3 week time frame which is still one of the fastest in the industry!
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Great, thanks for the info.
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Great, thanks for the info.
Anytime! Feel free to reach out with any questions in the meantime.
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This setup sounds like a good option for people like me who don't want to venture too far into the mod world but want some additional power. Has anyone gotten pushback from their dealer on the catted downpipe or dinantronics sport? I've seen comments on here that it's dealer by dealer, but are people finding that these two items are generally allowed subject to the "if we can trace an issue to the mod then you'll have a problem" disclaimer? I ordered the fabspeed catted downpipe without running it by my dealer, so I'm a little worried that I could have a problem. I'm assuming the downpipe is more likely to be a problem with the dealer than the dinan tuner box. My plan is to talk to the dealer about installing this setup when I take the car in for the break in service. Is the general consensus that this setup is pretty safe for the car if these are the only mods you install? Bit of a newb on mods, so thanks in advance for any feedback.
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This setup sounds like a good option for people like me who don't want to venture too far into the mod world but want some additional power. Has anyone gotten pushback from their dealer on the catted downpipe or dinantronics sport? I've seen comments on here that it's dealer by dealer, but are people finding that these two items are generally allowed subject to the "if we can trace an issue to the mod then you'll have a problem" disclaimer? I ordered the fabspeed catted downpipe without running it by my dealer, so I'm a little worried that I could have a problem. I'm assuming the downpipe is more likely to be a problem with the dealer than the dinan tuner box. My plan is to talk to the dealer about installing this setup when I take the car in for the break in service. Is the general consensus that this setup is pretty safe for the car if these are the only mods you install? Bit of a newb on mods, so thanks in advance for any feedback.
Your concerns are very common among the community. Yes, the most feedback you will get is it is based on a dealer by dealer basis so I can only share my personal experience.

I previously worked for my BMW dealership when I got my car. I installed our Sport Cat Downpipe and had multiple service appointments for oil changes, inspection, etc. Not once did my service adviser mention the downpipe or the Muffler Bypass Exhaust. Quite frankly, everyone commented on how awesome the car sounded.

I honestly do not think you will have any issues. If anything, the dealer will be more concerned with the software upgrades than the hardware upgrades.

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If anything, the dealer will be more concerned with the software upgrades than the hardware upgrades.
Agreed. That being said, the Dinan sport tuner is about as safe a tune one can do (without a matching warranty). They've been in the business since forever and they perform overly extensive R&D on all of their products.
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It's not so much the dealer I worry about as BMW - if my motor goes tits up and I bring it to the dealer for a warranty claim, I'm sure the mother ship will be sending a rep to try & figure out why.

I don't see the DP as any real risk to cause a meltdown, but I don't want to be out of pocket for a huge bill because Heinrich didn't torque something down properly and BMW decides to blame my aftermarket part for letting all the smoke out of my engine.
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Agreed. That being said, the Dinan sport tuner is about as safe a tune one can do (without a matching warranty). They've been in the business since forever and they perform overly extensive R&D on all of their products.
I agree, Dinan has definitely proven themselves over the years. Just from my experience alone - majority of cars these days are basically a bunch of computers connected together. I've found that most dealers are more comfortable with hardware components instead of software because almost anything that goes wrong can be related back to software. By no means am I opposed to software tuning (my M235i is tuned) but I figured I would share my experience.

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It's not so much the dealer I worry about as BMW - if my motor goes tits up and I bring it to the dealer for a warranty claim, I'm sure the mother ship will be sending a rep to try & figure out why.

I don't see the DP as any real risk to cause a meltdown, but I don't want to be out of pocket for a huge bill because Heinrich didn't torque something down properly and BMW decides to blame my aftermarket part for letting all the smoke out of my engine.
I would find it extremely hard to believe a downpipe would be the root cause to a meltdown. In fact, a higher flowing catalyst allows the engine to breathe better so I don't see it being an issue.
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It's not so much the dealer I worry about as BMW - if my motor goes tits up and I bring it to the dealer for a warranty claim, I'm sure the mother ship will be sending a rep to try & figure out why.

I don't see the DP as any real risk to cause a meltdown, but I don't want to be out of pocket for a huge bill because Heinrich didn't torque something down properly and BMW decides to blame my aftermarket part for letting all the smoke out of my engine.
Unfortunately, you're 3000 miles away from the manufacturer, in this case Fabspeed. I'm lucky to be close enough for them to install the DP, which I'm sure they've done dozens of times.

Find yourself a reputable shop. A downpipe installation is "relatively" easy to any skilled tech...no cutting/splicing/welding, simple bolt-on procedure like a cat-back.
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I'm not worried about the installation difficulty (I've installed DP's before, usually a no-brainer) or the likelihood that the DP would be the cause of an issue...only that it would be (incorrectly) blamed if something unrelated caused an issue.
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...only that it would be (incorrectly) blamed if something unrelated caused an issue.
Without divulging into the whole Magnuson-Moss complexities......

The dealership/BMWNA has to prove that a certain component, in this case a DP, caused the particular problem. They can't just willy nilly say "your rear diff is busted. You have an aftermarket downpipe. That's the cause."
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Without divulging into the whole Magnuson-Moss complexities......

The dealership/BMWNA has to prove that a certain component, in this case a DP, caused the particular problem. They can't just willy nilly say "your rear diff is busted. You have an aftermarket downpipe. That's the cause."
Once again this useless act is mentioned that was designed for household appliances. This only applies to oem specification replacement parts, not modification. In the act if you read it in it's entirety the manufacturer has the right to void the warranty upon modification of the vehicle if noted by the manufacturer in the owners guides. If you read the warranty provision booklet that comes with the car it is explicitly states that modifications to the emissions systems, performance enhancing software, etc will nullify the warranty. No proof is needed on what broke what on a modified vehicle. Plus a downpipe is illegal anyways. Enforcement of the sale of such parts has been lacking by the feds. Unless the emission modification caries a CARB approval or exemption your on your own.
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Once again this useless act is mentioned that was designed for household appliances. This only applies to oem specification replacement parts, not modification. In the act if you read it in it's entirety the manufacturer has the right to void the warranty upon modification of the vehicle if noted by the manufacturer in the owners guides. If you read the warranty provision booklet that comes with the car it is explicitly states that modifications to the emissions systems, performance enhancing software, etc will nullify the warranty. No proof is needed on what broke what on a modified vehicle. Plus a downpipe is illegal anyways. Enforcement of the sale of such parts has been lacking by the feds. Unless the emission modification caries a CARB approval or exemption your on your own.
It is not a useless Act and, whatever its supposed "purpose," has been expressly recognized by the Federal Trade Commission as applying to cars and aftermarket parts. Moreover, the Act does in fact require proof of causation to nullify a warranty. SEMA is particularly interested in just this issue, as you might imagine. Note the quotation from an FTC bulletin at the beginning of this link:

https://www.sema.org/sema-enews/2011...ermarket-parts

Then read the bulletin itself:

https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/article...ne-maintenance

Now, it is true that replacing a downpipe with one that is separately illegal because of emissions regs is not ok--that should not be controversial. But that is a different issue, and does not relieve the manufacturer of the burden to show that a downstream problem was caused by an aftermarket part, and not something else. Moreover, there are several kinds of aftermarket modifications that are not in and of themselves illegal. In the case of those, as well, the burden lies with the manufacturer to prove causation before it can deny coverage.

The shops I work with, at least, understand this issue very well.

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Welp, went to the dealer with my setup for an oil change. Key read, saw the paperwork and there was no sign of it registering anything weird. No one said poo about my DP or the Sport tuner. And got to crush my buddies M3 at lunch. All is good in the M2 mod world.
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Welp, went to the dealer with my setup for an oil change. Key read, saw the paperwork and there was no sign of it registering anything weird. No one said poo about my DP or the Sport tuner. And got to crush my buddies M3 at lunch. All is good in the M2 mod world.
I think this is the second time you mentioned beating your friend's F80. Even with the sport tuner and DP, he should still be up ~40 whp. Just curious, is he 6MT and you DCT or are you just a better driver, or what?
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I think this is the second time you mentioned beating your friend's F80. Even with the sport tuner and DP, he should still be up ~40 whp. Just curious, is he 6MT and you DCT or are you just a better driver, or what?
Second through third, stick in both. IDK, just faster car. Pulls harder.

The dyno of the sport tune only, showed 408lbft to the wheels. I also have a DP installed on top of that. 367whp for the sport tune only, maybe i got an extra 15hp at the top with the DP?

auf is doing a dyno run when he gets to Fabspeed. I am very interested to see that one. Again, the car showed a big difference when I put the DP on. It was 1,000 miles after my sport tune went in.

His car is stock.


If hes running 395hp to the wheels and 400lbft to the wheels, makes sense to me they would be very very close in overall speed.

And I need to add, having a bunch of seat time in both now, I have ZERO want for the S55. It is nowhere near as smooth, boost comes in faster and it feels more NA in its delivery then the S55. Thats my experience. Before the tune and now especially the way its set up.

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Second through third, stick in both. IDK, just faster car. Pulls harder.

The dyno of the sport tune only, showed 408lbft to the wheels. I also have a DP installed on top of that. 367whp for the sport tune only, maybe i got an extra 15hp at the top with the DP?

auf is doing a dyno run when he gets to Fabspeed. I am very interested to see that one. Again, the car showed a big difference when I put the DP on. It was 1,000 miles after my sport tune went in.

His car is stock.


If hes running 395hp to the wheels and 400lbft to the wheels, makes sense to me they would be very very close in overall speed.

And I need to add, having a bunch of seat time in both now, I have ZERO want for the S55. It is nowhere near as smooth, boost comes in faster and it feels more NA in its delivery then the S55. Thats my experience. Before the tune and now especially the way its set up.
F8x's, on average*, in general*, are putting down ~410-430 on Dynojets. There are many posts on that forum as evidence. The fact that you're able to hang with, let alone overtake your friend's M3 with your relative mild tuning setup is straight gangsa. Early February can't come soon enough for my DP install and early March can't come soon enough for stage IV. The stock Contis are going to think they've been through a nuclear holocaust.

And yes, while the S55 is way more tunable, it doesn't do much for me in stock form. I'd much rather have a modded N55 over it.
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