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      04-08-2016, 08:28 PM   #45
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It actually means that M2 is underpowered compared to M235i. I know they used 91 octane etc but still I cannot justify the difference.
Buy an M235i.
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It actually means that M2 is underpowered compared to M235i. I know they used 91 octane etc but still I cannot justify the difference.
Buy an M235i.
Hey man, no need for this type of answers. I'm already waiting for my M2 to be delivered in 3months but this doesn't mean that we shouldn't criticize anything against M2. I know it's great fun car and a track machine based on several reviews. However, I'm just surprised to see BMW to advertise it as 370hp if it makes 300whp. Again all my criticism is based on the assumption that it makes 300whp. In fact, it would be even more impressive for M2 to challenge M3/4 if BMW advertised it as 300hp.
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Hey man, no need for this type of answers. I'm already waiting for my M2 to be delivered in 3months but this doesn't mean that we shouldn't criticize anything against M2. I know it's great fun car and a track machine based on several reviews. However, I'm just surprised to see BMW to advertise it as 370hp if it makes 300whp. Again all my criticism is based on the assumption that it makes 300whp. In fact, it would be even more impressive for M2 to challenge M3/4 if BMW advertised it as 300hp.
I would take this dyno test with a huggggeee grain of salt. Let's wait until the usual suspects get their hands on it and they can baseline with other cars (M235i/M3/M4) on the same dyno. This test tells me absolutely nothing. I wonder what an M4 would have done in the same conditions on this dyno...or an M235i.

Let's be real though, the car is hanging tough with the M3/4 at most small/medium tracks, and the M3/4 beats the (320hp) M235i, so who really cares what this test shows. Unless you are looking to drag race the car, which then I would ask why you bought this car and not something else that goes fast in a straight line.
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Hey man, no need for this type of answers. I'm already waiting for my M2 to be delivered in 3months but this doesn't mean that we shouldn't criticize anything against M2. I know it's great fun car and a track machine based on several reviews. However, I'm just surprised to see BMW to advertise it as 370hp if it makes 300whp. Again all my criticism is based on the assumption that it makes 300whp. In fact, it would be even more impressive for M2 to challenge M3/4 if BMW advertised it as 300hp.
I would take this dyno test with a huggggeee grain of salt. Let's wait until the usual suspects get their hands on it and they can baseline with other cars (M235i/M3/M4) on the same dyno. This test tells me absolutely nothing. I wonder what an M4 would have done in the same conditions on this dyno...or an M235i.

Let's be real though, the car is hanging tough with the M3/4 at most small/medium tracks, and the M3/4 beats the (320hp) M235i, so who really cares what this test shows. Unless you are looking to drag race the car, which then I would ask why you bought this car and not something else that goes fast in a straight line.
I'm definitely not interested in drag racing this car or its straight line speed. Again, if I was obsessed with hp numbers, I could have bought an M3 or a Camaro SS at a cheaper price. I do not care how many hp this car makes but I would expect BMW to reflect whp in their specs like they do with other models.
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Hey man, no need for this type of answers.
It's absolutely the most appropriate answer.
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pfft... Dyno Dynamics and high altitude along with the shitty 91 gas. Dynojet read on avg 15-16% more then DD. So assuming if all goes well with other future dynos with the right altitude and 93 octane. I wish to see 20% more power then the 287 whp in this video. Which will hopefully put the M2 at about 345hp/365tq at the wheels.
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Just an FYI. TFLcars is up in Colorado, Boulder/Lafayette area I think where the elevation is up there around 5-6k feet so I'm sure that has some effect on output
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Whatever the reasons, it's not really the result people hoped we would see. It will be interesting to see if other dyno tests come to similar results or if this test is an outlier.

Does someone know how much difference the low-octane fuel and the altitude could make? I mean these curves look a bit weird to me (but of course we have no other M2 tests for comparison yet). In Germany, BMW recommends 98 octane fuel for the car and says you "can" fall back to 95 octane if you have to. We don't even have something as low as 91 octane here.
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Just from an hour or so ago:

https://www.facebook.com/TuningTechF...08860/?fref=nf

331 WHP 325 WTQ

I believe with 93 octane and Maryland
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For comparison on their dyno.

Hellcat: 551hp (707, 22% loss)
M2: 287 hp (365, 21% loss)

Going further, I am finding Hellcat dynojets showing 620hp (707, 12% loss).
So, if the M2 has 12% loss on that same dynojet, it would make about 320hp.
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This from a duplicate post in Photos and Videos posted by Day Laborer

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" Just from an hour or so ago:

https://www.facebook.com/TuningTechF...08860/?fref=nf

331 WHP 325 WTQ

I believe with 93 octane and Maryland "


Which seems a little more like it.Accordingly 331 WHP is ~ 388 crank hp using 6MT.(I assume these figures have been obtained with a relatively tight engine)
It'll now be interesting to see what the figures are with US 95/UK 98 Ron.

Edit:

I've just realised that the US 93 Ron is actually 98 UK so indeed best pump figures then.

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      04-09-2016, 02:49 PM   #57
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There shouldn't be a 21% loss on a DCT equipped car, more like 18%. 135i with PPK usually dyno around 295 with DCT. M3/M4 have a fierce motor, but seem to have trouble getting the power to the ground. Tires are too small for all that brute force. That's probably why the M2 with much less HP is turning in such great lap times as compared to M3/M4.
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Is it just me or the 30hp it should have over the 1M don't show. I remember few pull of the 1M around 331rwhp/362rwtq. Pretty close to what the M2 is doing.
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Is it just me or the 30hp it should have over the 1M don't show. I remember few pull of the 1M around 331rwhp/362rwtq. Pretty close to what the M2 is doing.
There was only one dyno that showed the 1M at close to 330whp. It was the Edmonds review. I thought the majority was right around 300. It also shows in the track times. The M2 is heavier and still destroying the times put down by the 1M.

Something was wrong in that video. The power curve just went flat after about 4500 rpms. That's not right. I wonder why they didn't do this the right way?
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lol 330whp... dead on from my estimates... in other words this is a 111-112 trap car at best
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lol 330whp... dead on from my estimates... in other words this is a 111-112 trap car at best
Haven't they already gotten a 114 with the manual?
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331 whp seems normal, but only 325 wtq? Thats 40something less torque to the wheels then the dyno from tflcars... Maybe the overboost function didn't kick in for the black m2 while on the dyno
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Is it just me or the 30hp it should have over the 1M don't show. I remember few pull of the 1M around 331rwhp/362rwtq. Pretty close to what the M2 is doing.
Yup, 1M dyno from Edmunds
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lol 330whp... dead on from my estimates... in other words this is a 111-112 trap car at best
Haven't they already gotten a 114 with the manual?
there is only one result of 113 from motortrend w dct i believe... and they are always the fast guys
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331 whp seems normal, but only 325 wtq? Thats 40something less torque to the wheels then the dyno from tflcars... Maybe the overboost function didn't kick in for the black m2 while on the dyno
They use a dynocom dyno. Anyone heard of that kind of dyno and how does it compare to others?
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Hey man, no need for this type of answers.
It's absolutely the most appropriate answer.
I kind of agree... There is no way that BMW is going to make a car that costs more than the model below and has less performance.
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