Biggest negative takeaway from these reviews is...

TunedM2C · 02-17-2016, 01:27 PM

The electronic steering. Can we please go back to hydraulic steering for all M cars and leave the
e-steering for the rest of the line-up?

Verbiage · 02-17-2016, 01:32 PM

TunedM2C · 02-17-2016, 01:39 PM

Lol, has the topic been obliterated to death already? Guess I missed it!

PrematureApex · 02-17-2016, 01:47 PM

Thanks Obama.

auf Deutsch · 02-17-2016, 01:49 PM

Top Gear says it's good, C&D says it sucks. What are the other reviewers saying?

dammitcubs · 02-17-2016, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Strongbark

The electronic steering. Can we please go back to hydraulic steering for all M cars and leave the
e-steering for the rest of the line-up?

[B]This dude says Hi - EPS was adopted for fuel economy reasons...

I think the one of the biggest faults is the not able to turn off the throttle blipping without DSC off. I don't understand what BMW is trying to achieve here....

OrangeCrush · 02-17-2016, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by auf Deutsch

Top Gear says it's good, C&D says it sucks. What are the other reviewers saying?

The ones I have read (Bimmerfest and Motor Trend) say it's better in the M2 than M4 so at least that's a start.

TunedM2C · 02-17-2016, 02:26 PM

Well the reason I even mentioned it was because in the bimmerpost M2 review thread it was said Sam was driving a 6er GC that had hydraulic steering.

OrangeCrush · 02-17-2016, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Strongbark

Well the reason I even mentioned it was because in the bimmerpost M2 review thread it was said Sam was driving a 6er GC that had hydraulic steering.

I think some BMW xdrives have to have hydraulic steering due to packaging issues. I believe our 2011 535i xdrives is hydraulic while the rear wheel drive 5 series were electric. All of this is from memory so I could be wrong.

M3 Adjuster · 02-17-2016, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Strongbark

The electronic steering. Can we please go back to hydraulic steering for all M cars and leave the
e-steering for the rest of the line-up?

a 2011 1M is still an incredible value..

BruceM · 02-17-2016, 02:58 PM

The rev matching thing is particularly weird because it clashes with the whole idea of the M2--back to the future, driver control and connection, fun to drive, 6MT standard, etc.,

Just weird.

I've not driven a rev matching car before. What happens if you slow down to a corner, clutch in, then roll over to the throttle as usual? The computer just ignores your own attempt to rev match and rev matches itself, I suppose?

burnsniper · 02-17-2016, 03:01 PM

The EPS critism is generally overstated; several Japanese sports cars (ex. S2000) have had EPS and there were no complaints...

Dabozo · 02-17-2016, 03:11 PM

test drove a cayman or boxster (cant remember) that had the rev match feature...cant say i liked it...would def take some getting used to thats for sure...basically need to 'unlearn' old habits..
If memory serves, when i would accidently go to manually rev match, the computer would beat me to it every time...

swagon · 02-17-2016, 03:15 PM

Call me a noob, but I cannot tell the difference between an E90 LCI with EPS and an E82 with HPS & Active Steering in terms of "feedback and feel."

eugegall · 02-17-2016, 03:16 PM

For me its...

NO M MIRRORS!!
YOU WHAT? A TURBO M CAR?
NO CARBON ROOF? WAT????

Its a fucking awesome car exactly how it is. There are over 7,000,000,000 people in the world. They can't please everyone.

Well done BMW!

hyperzulu · 02-17-2016, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BruceM

The rev matching thing is particularly weird because it clashes with the whole idea of the M2--back to the future, driver control and connection, fun to drive, 6MT standard, etc.,

Just weird

As far as I know, DSC is not part of cars of the past. BMW lets you turn off rev matching with DSC off. Boom, back to basics.

3tekcorps · 02-17-2016, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by swagon

Call me a noob, but I cannot tell the difference between an E90 LCI with EPS and an E82 with HPS & Active Steering in terms of "feedback and feel."

You haven't read enough reviews then.

BruceM · 02-17-2016, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hyperzulu

As far as I know, DSC is not part of cars of the past. BMW lets you turn off rev matching with DSC off. Boom, back to basics.

I know, and that's certainly better than no option to turn it off at all. But I'm not sure how I feel about forcing drivers to turn off all the nannies to do what is really one of the most fun parts of driving with a manual tranny.

Over time, once I got to know the car well and a particular track, I guess I'd feel comfortable enough to turn it all off. But for canyon carving on public roads--maybe not. I don't want to kill somebody because I wanted to rev match on my own and I hit a gravel patch or oil slick at speed and spun out.

hyperzulu · 02-17-2016, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BruceM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hyperzulu

As far as I know, DSC is not part of cars of the past. BMW lets you turn off rev matching with DSC off. Boom, back to basics.

I know, and that's certainly better than no option to turn it off at all. But I'm not sure how I feel about forcing drivers to turn off all the nannies to do what is really one of the most fun parts of driving with a manual tranny.

Over time, once I got to know the car well and a particular track, I guess I'd feel comfortable enough to turn it all off. But for canyon carving on public roads--maybe not. I don't want to kill somebody because I wanted to rev match on my own and I hit a gravel patch or oil slick at speed and spun out.

How did people do it back in the good ol' days of no tech nannies?

BruceM · 02-17-2016, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hyperzulu

How did people do it back in the good ol' days of no tech nannies?

Then, they had no options. Now, when you know you have an option to be safer on public roads, it might be more difficult to pull that particular trigger. I dunno. Depends on the confidence level you can develop. For example, on the Dinan 1M, from what I've read turning off all the nannies on a high speed set of twisties on public roads might be pushing it...

Verbiage · 02-17-2016, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BruceM

The rev matching thing is particularly weird because it clashes with the whole idea of the M2--back to the future, driver control and connection, fun to drive, 6MT standard, etc.,

Just weird.

I've not driven a rev matching car before. What happens if you slow down to a corner, clutch in, then roll over to the throttle as usual? The computer just ignores your own attempt to rev match and rev matches itself, I suppose?

Yes.

skiiipi · 02-17-2016, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BruceM

I know, and that's certainly better than no option to turn it off at all. But I'm not sure how I feel about forcing drivers to turn off all the nannies to do what is really one of the most fun parts of driving with a manual tranny.

Over time, once I got to know the car well and a particular track, I guess I'd feel comfortable enough to turn it all off. But for canyon carving on public roads--maybe not. I don't want to kill somebody because I wanted to rev match on my own and I hit a gravel patch or oil slick at speed and spun out.

give it sometime someone is going to come out with an option that lets you reprogram the 3 settings

it would be nice to leave the auto rev match in comfort
but allow it to be disabled in Sport where you still have stability control but lose the auto rev match.

or it would be nice to let you turn it off on its own
which I believe you can do on the porsche manuals.

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