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      03-12-2019, 03:08 PM   #45
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People and even companies that value nothing have no value in my book.
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No European Delivery then?
Not unless you want to pay extra to ship it there!
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If I'm spending this much money on a German car, I want it built in Germany

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I completely agree with you. This is no bueno :
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You'll never see the M3/M4/M5 built in Mexico.
You値l never see a fwd BMW
You値l never see an M SUV
You値l never see a turbocharged M
You値l never see an awd M
You値l never see an auto trans (again) in an M

For the future:
You値l never see a hybrid/EV M
They値l never skip the Z4 M again
M3 will always have manual gearbox

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My Mexican car laughs at you xenophobes. How many of you are driving South African assembled F3x's without even knowing it?
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If I'm spending this much money on a German car, I want it built in Germany

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I completely agree with you. This is no bueno :[/QUOTE]
No-Bueno is 100% Correct.

BMW can slap as many M's as they want on it, I'll have to pass.
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Is it going to be produce in Mexico for the entire world or is it going to be for the North American production only?
Only the best for NA. Mexico to Canada. Think global, think environment and think made in Mexico on your M2.
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There's a very real chance of Mexico built cars priced way lower than German imports in the near future. If that happens, everyone will be very happy that SLP and Spartanburg exist.
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As long as all of the parts are German made, I see no problem with assembly in Mexico.
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As long as all of the parts are German made, I see no problem with assembly in Mexico.
The terrible truth is that the cars assembled in Germany source their parts from all over the world. Besides other German suppliers, there's a bunch of Eastern European countries, China, Japan, and yes, Mexico too.
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As long as all of the parts are German made, I see no problem with assembly in Mexico.
The terrible truth is that the cars assembled in Germany source their parts from all over the world. Besides other German suppliers, there's a bunch of Eastern European countries, China, Japan, and yes, Mexico too.
True that.

No different with any other car manufacturers.
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The terrible truth is that the cars assembled in Germany source their parts from all over the world. Besides other German suppliers, there's a bunch of Eastern European countries, China, Japan, and yes, Mexico too.
A terrible truth but not an argument to accept a German car being manufactured somewhere else. You get what you pay for and that includes manufacturers. If it were a logical rationalization then we mind as well accept all parts (even the more important parts) to be made in another country.
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Glad BMW is saving coin with this Mexico association, while the consumer gets raked. I'll be saying Bye Bye, Soon Soon.
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As long as all of the parts are German made, I see no problem with assembly in Mexico.
The terrible truth is that the cars assembled in Germany source their parts from all over the world. Besides other German suppliers, there's a bunch of Eastern European countries, China, Japan, and yes, Mexico too.
As long as we don't get made in Mexico Takata airbags.
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Reminds me of the "Buy American" stickers I've seen on Camaros. I always got a kick out of that!!
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Reminds me of the "Buy American" stickers I've seen on Camaros. I always got a kick out of that!!
To be fair, they are made in Lansing, MI now.

It's still a dumb slogan, as "American" could mean Canada, the US, Mexico, or anywhere in Central or South America. When someone says "Make America Great Again", I just ask, "Which one?"

My father gets upset when a "damn Toyota" wins a NASCAR race, even though it's a) barely a Toyota at all, and b) even a Toyota is more "American" than many cars from the big 3.
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Reminds me of the "Buy American" stickers I've seen on Camaros. I always got a kick out of that!!
And when you buy a Camaro you get a pack of Winston's in the trunk for free.
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i'm very happy with my Japanese Toyota Tundra being manufactured in Texas by non-union labor with a higher domestic parts content than Ford or GM trucks.

my M2? well, i guess i'm just old fashioned but i'll expect it to be made in Germany unless they plan on lowering prices by 30%.

the one caveat being if M2 manufacturing moves to mexico is if individual exterior and interior options are offered at reasonable fee. a British Racing Green M2CS with Cognac interior and polished 763's would make things interesting for me.
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My Mexican car laughs at you xenophobes. How many of you are driving South African assembled F3x's without even knowing it?
It has nothing to do with xenophobia.

It's not unreasonable to ask for a high end flagship performance car to be produced in its home country. That's part of the appeal.

Merc's AMG division has handmade engines with a plaque by the guy who assembled it. You can only get such attention to detail in Germany!
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I was planning to buy a next-gen M2, but I won't if my only option is to buy one that is made in Mexico. What a shame that will be.
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I was planning to buy a next-gen M2, but I won't if my only option is to buy one that is made in Mexico. What a shame that will be.
Agreed.

As long as I can opt for European delivery and still get a German made M-Car... Then Wunderbar.
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My Mexican car laughs at you xenophobes. How many of you are driving South African assembled F3x's without even knowing it?
It has nothing to do with xenophobia.

It's not unreasonable to ask for a high end flagship performance car to be produced in its home country. That's part of the appeal.

Merc's AMG division has handmade engines with a plaque by the guy who assembled it. You can only get such attention to detail in Germany!
Wait, flagship and M2? What did I miss? 1ers weren't made in Munich, neither are the current 2ers. So what really changes if it goes to MX?

Like I said earlier, many 3ers were made elsewhere. Hell, my M Coupe was made in South Carolina and I liked it more than many Munich made BMW's, a Leipzig one, a Regensberg one and a Rosslyn one.

Country of manufacture doesn't really matter to me. If the car is well engineered, then it will likely be a good car.

Maybe it's because I worked in Germany for a German company, but I don't see why you think a German union employee is going to wield a torque wrench with any sort of magic skill set than a similarly trained employee in another country is going to. And yes, what you described is xenophobia to a t.
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