[makrop]

http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-m2.html

[sdpauly]

Originally Posted by krop135i

http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-m2.html

If this is true, then it makes me happy.

"Official technical details are not available but rumors indicate the M2 will be powered by a twin-turbocharged variant of the 3.0-liter straight-six found under the hood of the M235i. The turbo-six will reportedly send anywhere between 380 and 400 horsepower to the rear wheels via either an eight-speed automatic transmission or a six-speed manual unit..."

Although, scott26 has been right about a lot of things he's posted here. I really hope he's wrong about the turbo 4-cyl.

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by sdpauly

If this is true, then it makes me happy.

"Official technical details are not available but rumors indicate the M2 will be powered by a twin-turbocharged variant of the 3.0-liter straight-six found under the hood of the M235i. The turbo-six will reportedly send anywhere between 380 and 400 horsepower to the rear wheels via either an eight-speed automatic transmission or a six-speed manual unit..."

Although, scott26 has been right about a lot of things he's posted here. I really hope he's wrong about the turbo 4-cyl.

Leftlanenews is wrong. There will be no twin-turbo variant of M235i engine. N55 will be replaced by B58.

[SW19]

[QUOTE=Levi;15395734]Leftlanenews is wrong. There will be no twin-turbo variant of M235i engine. N55 will be replaced by B58.[/QUOTE

But aren't these new B58 engines a totally new generation of engines which will include both i4 and i6 engines?Are you agreeing with Scott26 that it will be the i4?

[BMW269]

[QUOTE=Nantucket;15395909]

Originally Posted by Levi

Leftlanenews is wrong. There will be no twin-turbo variant of M235i engine. N55 will be replaced by B58.[/QUOTE

But aren't these new B58 engines a totally new generation of engines which will include both i4 and i6 engines?Are you agreeing with Scott26 that it will be the i4?

B58 is I6, B48 is I4 and B38 is I3. There are variants, you can find them on BP, there is somewhere a thread about them.

Well, yes I agree with SCOTT. The M I4 engine is plan of something larger, and not only the M2. It will power next generation X1 M and all other performance models that are FWD. The M2 is will not come before 2016. Till then there is the M235i. Those who want more will have to pay more (M3/M4). That is the strategy for now.

[Seagull]

Originally Posted by sdpauly

Link? M235i is down on power and much heavier than the 1M. I would be very surprised if this is true.

Based solely on who made those comments and the fact that the company controls precisely what they release, I tend to believe them because these statements are not/cannot be made lightly.

In addition, they know what's out there and what we know. i.e. tires argument etc... Knowing that, I would think they would not make this statement if the M235i was only faster by a hair under extremely specific conditions. They must build in a safety margin before even considering this statement.

I mean imagine if they are wrong. All it takes is one mag like EVO or show like Top Gear to roast them and this reference.

If it was marginal, and they were still tweaking I would think they would use language in the form of, "It will definitely challenge the 1M around the ring..."

But that's just my reasoning...

There will be no definitive facts until people/reviewers/Stig gets their hands on one. I don't think anyone can provide you a link yet to actual numbers.

[golf_234]

Originally Posted by Joaco135

At the end of the day we will take the M2 any which way BMW makes it with i4, i6, turbo or non-turbo, etc. why? Because it will be a true M car model with the HP that fits between the M235i and the M4. We can speculate all we want but at this time BMW has already or is near made up their mind on how the M2 will come out, if there is an M2 model to start with... just saying.

While I want to agree.. I just liked my n54 motor too much. the tuned n55 i am betting is just phenomenal. The m235i is the most perfect car I think bmw has ever produced to this date. If they did an I6 on the M2, well, obviously. 4 would be a dealbreaker for me, period. Going down a backroad with the windows down and hearing the turbos spooling on my 135 was just electric. I loved that car, motor, everything. Only objective thing I didn't really like was the carbon buildup of direct injection, but whatever. No 4 cyl for me as long as the 6 turbos are available.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by golf_234

The m235i is the most perfect car I think bmw has ever produced to this date.

LOL. no.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

You sound like a real tool sticking around just to object to every nice thing someone says about the M235i.

i'm here for the M2 rumours.....not to hear someone say the M235i is the "most perfect car ever made"...lol

[golf_234]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

LOL. no.

Ok, should probably rephrase, I mean a great balanced driver's car in compact form with great technology. It is a car I would take over an E46 M, no question. And is my favorite car bmw currently makes when looking at price, size, performance, etc. That statement was a bit bold though , I digress.

Originally Posted by IEDEI

i'm here for the M2 rumours.....not to hear someone say the M235i is the "most perfect car ever made"...lol

My statement really was just an opinion, I have no interest in a 4 cyl if they go that route. When the car on the table already is so polished. All I'm saying.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

i'm here for the M2 rumours.....not to hear someone say the M235i is the "most perfect car ever made"...lol

He didn't say it was the most perfect car ever made. He said he thinks it might be the most perfect BMW. That is to say, it exemplifies the traits that he believes represent what a BMW should be. There's a disagreement to be had there, but it's not a "LOL no" remark.

Occasionally you make some decent points about aspects of the 135i/is that are valid, but I've seen so many one-liners from you about the M235i, I can't blame the other commenters for thinking you've got some sort of 2-series envy. I know you've said repeatedly that you don't, but bro, give it a rest.

[bradleyland]

And FWIW, the M135i got rave reviews. I'd even go so far as to say that the M135i was more broadly praised than the 1M Coupe because of its obtainability.

Sure, there are plenty of really fantastic cars you can buy for $70k, hundreds of thousands, or even millions of dollars, but the average person, that's a moot point, because a +$1000/month car payment doesn't work in to their household financial formula. It's a simple matter of mathematics. A lot of people can afford a $45k M235i.

I'm very excited for the M2, but if the M235i is an improvement over the M135i, expect the consensus to swing in its direction. I'm willing to bet the car will even overshadow the new M4 because of its obtainability, which is a hot topic these days.

[outcast]

Originally Posted by sdpauly

How can a car which has 320hp and weighs around 3550 pounds beat a car that has 340hp and weighs 3340 lbs around the Nurburgring?

I registered just to post this: Where the heck are you getting this information from? (and this is not the first time I have read this on US forums)

The technical data I can find reads the following (incl. data from bmw.us and bmw.de):

EU weight F22 M235i (auto): 1545kg
EU weight E82 135i (manual): 1560kg
EU weight E82 1M Coupe: 1570kg

EU weight includes 75kg driver + handluggage as well as 90% full gas tank.

In your weird non-SI units, this should correspond to M235i: 3406 pounds, 135i: 3439 pounds, 1M: 3461 pounds. So in fact the 1M is the heaviest of the bunch, and indeed HEAVIER than the upcoming M235i (which is even including the automatic, just to note!). Of course this is from the specs, but at least for both E82 this has been verified to be close to reality, and I don't expect that BMW can cheat a lot here for the M235i.

So, how do you get to3340 pounds for the 1M (which is 121 pounds too little), and to 3550 pounds for the M235i (which is 146 too much). Please explain!

So in fact, being close in power (1M 340hp, M235i 326hp, at least in German units) with less weight and better tires, it should be no surprise that the M235i could be faster than the 1M. If that faster lap time actually occurs in reality, we will of course have to see.

[M2BMW]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

He didn't say it was the most perfect car ever made. He said he thinks it might be the most perfect BMW. That is to say, it exemplifies the traits that he believes represent what a BMW should be. There's a disagreement to be had there, but it's not a "LOL no" remark.

Occasionally you make some decent points about aspects of the 135i/is that are valid, but I've seen so many one-liners from you about the M235i, I can't blame the other commenters for thinking you've got some sort of 2-series envy. I know you've said repeatedly that you don't, but bro, give it a rest.

heh, yes this person is strange, in my opinion the best thing to do is ignore him ..... he can continue to post and we can each make the decision to ignore his post ... if a decision needs to be made that he is a troll, lets leave that to the mods...

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

He didn't say it was the most perfect car ever made. He said he thinks it might be the most perfect BMW. That is to say, it exemplifies the traits that he believes represent what a BMW should be. There's a disagreement to be had there, but it's not a "LOL no" remark.

Occasionally you make some decent points about aspects of the 135i/is that are valid, but I've seen so many one-liners from you about the M235i, I can't blame the other commenters for thinking you've got some sort of 2-series envy. I know you've said repeatedly that you don't, but bro, give it a rest.

Well put mate

[sdpauly]

Originally Posted by outcast

I registered just to post this: Where the heck are you getting this information from? (and this is not the first time I have read this on US forums)

The technical data I can find reads the following (incl. data from bmw.us and bmw.de):

EU weight F22 M235i (auto): 1545kg
EU weight E82 135i (manual): 1560kg
EU weight E82 1M Coupe: 1570kg

EU weight includes 75kg driver + handluggage as well as 90% full gas tank.

In your weird non-SI units, this should correspond to M235i: 3406 pounds, 135i: 3439 pounds, 1M: 3461 pounds. So in fact the 1M is the heaviest of the bunch, and indeed HEAVIER than the upcoming M235i (which is even including the automatic, just to note!). Of course this is from the specs, but at least for both E82 this has been verified to be close to reality, and I don't expect that BMW can cheat a lot here for the M235i.

So, how do you get to3340 pounds for the 1M (which is 121 pounds too little), and to 3550 pounds for the M235i (which is 146 too much). Please explain!

So in fact, being close in power (1M 340hp, M235i 326hp, at least in German units) with less weight and better tires, it should be no surprise that the M235i could be faster than the 1M. If that faster lap time actually occurs in reality, we will of course have to see.

I pulled those specs from the articles I linked, if they are wrong, blame the Interwebs.

[technik330]

I love how these discussions, or eloquently held debates, are carried out like they'll have an impact on the actual product's development.

Hey guys, lets get together and vent about how we want x and we're going to get y, but buy y anyways - because it's got this badge: ///M

... so, who wants more punch?

[Cosa Nostra]

Design renderings of a potential M2 are great!

First of all, if an M2 comes out it is gonna cost too much ($60K CAD).

Second, if it is an i4 (instead of the beloved i6) then not good.

[mattu]

The M2 with an I4 is exciting to me. Since I sold my E30 M3 (1300kg), I'm hoping for a modern M car with comparable weight (within 100kg) to come along. Knowing the 220i is 1425kg, I'm optimistic they'll be able to make it happen with the M2, but don't think it'll be possible with an I6.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by technik330

... so, who wants more punch?

I'll have some punch!

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by outcast

I registered just to post this: Where the heck are you getting this information from? (and this is not the first time I have read this on US forums)

The technical data I can find reads the following (incl. data from bmw.us and bmw.de):

EU weight F22 M235i (auto): 1545kg
EU weight E82 135i (manual): 1560kg
EU weight E82 1M Coupe: 1570kg

EU weight includes 75kg driver + handluggage as well as 90% full gas tank.

In your weird non-SI units, this should correspond to M235i: 3406 pounds, 135i: 3439 pounds, 1M: 3461 pounds. So in fact the 1M is the heaviest of the bunch, and indeed HEAVIER than the upcoming M235i (which is even including the automatic, just to note!). Of course this is from the specs, but at least for both E82 this has been verified to be close to reality, and I don't expect that BMW can cheat a lot here for the M235i.

So, how do you get to3340 pounds for the 1M (which is 121 pounds too little), and to 3550 pounds for the M235i (which is 146 too much). Please explain!

So in fact, being close in power (1M 340hp, M235i 326hp, at least in German units) with less weight and better tires, it should be no surprise that the M235i could be faster than the 1M. If that faster lap time actually occurs in reality, we will of course have to see.

This is a good post, and makes a great point. I think it is important to wait until we have some real M235s in the wild and get some "real" weights on them before we all freak out.

That being said, I believe the 3500 number has been associated with the US specced cars, because they might have more options on them to begin with. But I might be wrong about that.

Regardless, I am truly excited for my M235. It is on a boat as we speak and headed this way. If BMW decides to make an M2, well I will be excited for that too. And looking to get one in about 3 years.

[sdpauly]

The thing is, the inline 6 is something that BMW does VERY well. My N54 is one of the best motors I have ever driven. Powerful, sounds great (without Active Sound), and drives very smooth. An inline 4 in the M2 just sounds WRONG. I won't care if it's lighter or more powerful or even quicker around the 'ring... A 4-cylinder will be a dealbreaker for me if that's where they decide to go with the M2.

The base model 2-series (228i) is an turbo 4, the premium model (235i) is an I-6 single-turbo. Therefore, it seems logical that the hardcore model (the M2) should be a twin-turbo I-6. I bet someone at Audi could make the case for putting a tuned 2.0T in the R8, it might be lighter and more powerful V8, it might be faster then the V8... But who wants an R8 with a 4 banger?

The N54 engines leave a lot on the table in terms of tuning potential. A simple $800 plug-in tune (JB4) can give you nearly 400hp on pump gas. That is awesome, even if I never take advantage of that. It's one of the things that made the 135i so appealing. A turbo 4 is likely to be pushing the limits already from the factory, I expect there will be much less tunability out of the box.

Whether or not it's a de-tuned S55 or some kind of tuned N54/N55 I think it needs to be a 6. If I wanted a 4 cylinder, I'd buy an STI or EVO. Between this and the Active Sound garbage that you cannot disable, it looks like I will be looking elsewhere than BMW for my next sports car.

It will be around 2015 or 2016 when I'll be shopping for something new, for now these are all rumors until it's officially released. So I will wait and see... But yeah, 4-cylinder means no deal for me.