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      04-04-2020, 03:29 PM   #23
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Did you buy it new?
Yes, I bought it new from a BMW online shop that has disappeared.

Pics of the two Mperformance shifters.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...8;postcount=19

It looks like the price has gone up to $221 or so I only paid $180.

https://www.bmwpartspros.com/oem-par...ob-25112222529
No I was talking about the car itself. Question directed at OP
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Almost at 20K miles and going strong. No complaints. Around 16K miles installed SSK and now it's even more enjoyable to shift.
interesting, so you were ok with it for 16k miles and then did SSK, would you say the mod was worth it in terms of your overall enjoyment of the car?
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Almost at 20K miles and going strong. No complaints. Around 16K miles installed SSK and now it's even more enjoyable to shift.
interesting, so you were ok with it for 16k miles and then did SSK, would you say the mod was worth it in terms of your overall enjoyment of the car?
First I replaced the clutch stop before even leaving the performance center, and was planing on changing it out but didn't get around to it. Also I picked up mine in fall of 2018, there wasn't anyone reputable offering at that time. So waited a year and than pulled the trigger. OE is not that bad kind of got used to it to be honest, but when I replaced it, it was day and night in terms of feel imo. Definitely worth it if your going for feel and crisp shifts without any play. Check the s55 bolt on sub section, lots of reviews there including my own.
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My take on this is the stock shifter is pretty rubbery but it's precise and gets the job done. As for alternatives, I run a CAE shifter in my M2C, which is clicky and razor accurate, and very satisfying, more so than my S2000 by a large margin.

On the flip side, it adds a lot of NVH. While it's fine to daily for me, it varies by person. Overall though there are definitely mods that provide a more raw experience for the F87 platform.
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      04-06-2020, 10:01 AM   #27
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Yes, I bought it new from a BMW online shop that has disappeared.

Pics of the two Mperformance shifters.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...2&postcount=19

It looks like the price has gone up to $221 or so I only paid $180.

https://www.bmwpartspros.com/oem-par...ob-25112222529
Just to confirm, this fits our 2019 M2C cars, correct?
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      04-06-2020, 10:05 AM   #28
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Just to confirm, this fits our 2019 M2C cars, correct?
It fits in my 2019 M2C like a glove.
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      04-06-2020, 07:30 PM   #29
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Almost a year and a half living with it and no complaints.

Side note: I am tempted to switch to the Aluminum M Performance knob, any feedback would be appreciated.
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I think it is one of BMWs better efforts. The gears are much smoother than the MT in my M5 or Z4M coupe. The clutch is a little light for my taste, but I quickly became used to it. Not as mechanical feeling as the M5Z4M MT. Given that Porsche is generally accepted as building the best MTs, I'm not surprised that you had an adjustment period.
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I've had 3 6mt BMWs. 2 F30s (MY12 328i and MY17 340i) and this MY20 F87. Cant much recall the experience of shifting the first F30 as was many years ago as MY12, but the MY17 F30 vs this F87 is certainly an improvement. Clutch feel from the MY17 F30 to this MY20 F87 is similar, which is unfortunate, but the gate in the F87 feels tighter, and feels more precise. My father has MY15 228i with 6mt, and while clutch feel is similar, shifter activation seems more inline with the MY17 F30 than this F87. I understand the rubberiness some speak of however. I would have preferred a clutch in the F87 that requires more effort to depress too. With the hydraulic assist for clutch activation, there really isn't any soul to the 3rd pedal anymore. In between those 3 BMWs, there was MY16 Cayman S with 6mt that gave such a degree of feedback through the foot; it was sublime. If there was a way to transplant the shift and clutch feel into the F87 from that Cayman, 'twould be problem solved.
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I've had 3 6mt BMWs. 2 F30s (MY12 328i and MY17 340i) and this MY20 F87. Cant much recall the experience of shifting the first F30 as was many years ago as MY12, but the MY17 F30 vs this F87 is certainly an improvement. Clutch feel from the MY17 F30 to this MY20 F87 is similar, which is unfortunate, but the gate in the F87 feels tighter, and feels more precise. My father has MY15 228i with 6mt, and while clutch feel is similar, shifter activation seems more inline with the MY17 F30 than this F87. I understand the rubberiness some speak of however. I would have preferred a clutch in the F87 that requires more effort to depress too. With the hydraulic assist for clutch activation, there really isn't any soul to the 3rd pedal anymore. In between those 3 BMWs, there was MY16 Cayman S with 6mt that gave such a degree of feedback through the foot; it was sublime. If there was a way to transplant the shift and clutch feel into the F87 from that Cayman, 'twould be problem solved.

my last manual car was also a 16 Cayman S, and there is no question the 6mt in there is superior, but as time goes on the 6mt in the 2mc is normailizing for me and its good enough to be an enjoyable 6mt!
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I feel like that dumb ass car owner "ford vrs Ferrari" I do not drive my car hard enough to really enjoy it, just 2300 miles in over 14 months

Just now I'm really driving it, less congestion on the roads


Driving a fast car slow is pathetic, it feels clunky ,heavy and all the pieces feel very separate like not working together not on the same team BUT when the gearbox is warmed and the oil is at optimal temp you can have some real smiles on some open roads

400hp rwd 6Mt on a open windy road is better than sex imo, in stop n go traffic it's like a cystoscopy
Lmao, as a urologist, this comment cracks me up.
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A lot of people don't like the rubbery feel but it's really grown on me. I've owned lots of different manuals and driven some 911's too. The mechanical feel is great in those cars. But something about that bmw feel is very comforting.
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Rather than feeling the shift linkage as rubbery...

I feel as though the shift linkage is bathed in elegantly polished oil.


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I came from an NB Miata before my 2019 M2C MT.

The clutch is the worst part. 5/10. The pickup point has little feel. The Miata is about 9/10. But I drove a rental Opel and that was a 2-3/10. I think Europeans like that large sweet spot engagement, since they need to have the cars often in traffic for a wide range of drivers.

The shifter I would rate 6.5/10. Could be more precise and a little rubbery.

I wish BMW could replicate the Miata's manual clutch and shifter in the M2. My opinion only.
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I came from an NB Miata before my 2019 M2C MT.

The clutch is the worst part. 5/10. The pickup point has little feel. The Miata is about 9/10. But I drove a rental Opel and that was a 2-3/10. I think Europeans like that large sweet spot engagement, since they need to have the cars often in traffic for a wide range of drivers.

The shifter I would rate 6.5/10. Could be more precise and a little rubbery.

I wish BMW could replicate the Miata's manual clutch and shifter in the M2. My opinion only.
Dude. I test drove the ND2 extensively prior to deciding on ordering the M2C, and I don't know how Mazda does it but the 6MT in that is an absolute gem.

You have to be a total moron to screw up on the clutch, it's fool-proof with excellent feel. Combine that with a nice notchy shifter and I was so in love.

Only reason I backed out was because it was just......too small, even for me.
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That's what I mean. They made too wide a sweet spot with the clutch. Whereas something like a Miata has a really narrow sweet spot. But if you know where it is, you can let the clutch out fast, and feel a sense of accomplishment. Really good connection from man to machine.
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Previous manuals (cars) I've spent time driving: 1992 Chevy Lumina Z34, 1995 Pontiac Trans Am, and 1997 540i. M2C actually feels a lot like the 540. Light clutch with a weird feeling assist, awkward delay valve, and a rubbery, but accurate shifter.
Clutch needs to have a heavier pedal and consistent travel resistance. I really don't like how it is firm then eases up part way down. On my 540 I removed the spring assist assembly and it helped considerably. I haven't peeked under my knee bolster yet on the M2C. With the M2C clutch delay valve removed it makes a HUGE difference. Friction point is always in the same spot. I can get smooth shifts at any RPM or clutch engagement speed. You don't have to buy a different slave cylinder. Just open the line at the slave and you can pull out the delay valve (it's a small metal orifice and a rubber ring). I was considering getting the Ultimate Clutch Pedal, but now I don't think I will since the CDV removal. I have a ceramic composite clutch in the Trans Am, so obviously a totally different animal, but I wish the M2C was a little more harsh and precise with engagement.

Now, the shifter. Like many have said, it's rubbery but precise. I don't really hate it. It's basically a less worn version of what was in my 540. I have yet to miss a gear with it, but I would like something with a shorter throw and tighter feel. I have a MGW shifter on the Trans Am, and that's nearly unbeatable since it bolts onto the trans and actuates the shift rods directly. I know the M2C will never be that good, but a new shifter is high on my list. I replaced the rubber bushings in the Z34 shifter with metal, and that actually helped a lot. Maybe something like that would go a long way in the M2C. Just my thoughts.
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I came from an NB Miata before my 2019 M2C MT.

The clutch is the worst part. 5/10. The pickup point has little feel. The Miata is about 9/10. But I drove a rental Opel and that was a 2-3/10. I think Europeans like that large sweet spot engagement, since they need to have the cars often in traffic for a wide range of drivers.

The shifter I would rate 6.5/10. Could be more precise and a little rubbery.

I wish BMW could replicate the Miata's manual clutch and shifter in the M2. My opinion only.
Dude. I test drove the ND2 extensively prior to deciding on ordering the M2C, and I don't know how Mazda does it but the 6MT in that is an absolute gem.

You have to be a total moron to screw up on the clutch, it's fool-proof with excellent feel. Combine that with a nice notchy shifter and I was so in love.

Only reason I backed out was because it was just......too small, even for me.
Agree 100%. After driving the Miata's manual transmission, it became clear what great really is.

I previously had one on order and backed out due to practicality. But it's still in the back of my mind how great this car is compared to the M2C. Still having a hard time deciding on which one to take home with me.

Recently also threw in the Boxster T to the mix.
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I came from an NB Miata before my 2019 M2C MT.

The clutch is the worst part. 5/10. The pickup point has little feel. The Miata is about 9/10. But I drove a rental Opel and that was a 2-3/10. I think Europeans like that large sweet spot engagement, since they need to have the cars often in traffic for a wide range of drivers.

The shifter I would rate 6.5/10. Could be more precise and a little rubbery.

I wish BMW could replicate the Miata's manual clutch and shifter in the M2. My opinion only.
Couldn't agree more! After I sold my manual M4C I bought a 2001 NB Miata and the manual felt miles better. Then my M2C arrived but it was the same story with the M4 in terms of how the 6MT felt. In fact, I had couple hiccups where it wouldn't go into 1st when in a complete stop no matter what I did (double clutching, first 2nd then back to 1st etc.) and at some point this happened multiple times in a day (not once in a blue moon). At around 5K miles, BMW replaced the transmission under warranty. It started showing similar symptoms around 10k miles again but not as bad. This time BMW said it was normal. I sold my M2C 2 months ago to get something more family friendly and I already regret my decision but I highly doubt my next BMW will be a manual. Grew up around MT cars, learned how to drive in a manual car, and been driving manuals for 17 years but my 6MT experience in the M2C left a bad taste in my mouth. M4C was just as bad in terms of rubbery feeling but at least it didn't give me any trouble in my 22K-mile ownership. I love the manual in my NB Miata and not planning to sell it ever..
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CDV removal sounds like something I should have tried. I have heard of it, but never considered it for my M2.
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Changing the shifter to the Mperformance model helps. You are not forced to shift on top of a golf ball and can shift much lower from the side of the stick.

I have also found that after 17k miles the shifter in my M2C has become less rubbery and stiff. I have no complaints.
any reason why the parts sites say that this does not fit MY2020?
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Agree 100%. After driving the Miata's manual transmission, it became clear what great really is.

I previously had one on order and backed out due to practicality. But it's still in the back of my mind how great this car is compared to the M2C. Still having a hard time deciding on which one to take home with me.

Recently also threw in the Boxster T to the mix.
I have no regrets with the M2C, but when I see an ND in the wild, I can't help but think OH MANNNN SHOULD I HAVE GOTTEN THAT.

ND's are even more amazing with a few "Flyin' Miata" mods. Prior to ordering the M2C I was going to spec and order a MY2020 Ceramic White Metallic ND2 Club with the black top and the BBS package. (Not gonna lie, I still want one, lol.)
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