[warrenw]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Yep. Official weight quoted by BMW are as followed:

Model DIN/EU (Kg)
M2 1495/1570
M2C 1550/1625

Hmmm my import paperwork says 1590kg for my 6MT maybe that included the gas that was in there?

[stylinexpat]

looks like 116 MPH for the 1/4 Mile. Not bad but not amazing either. Its pretty good but I would like to see 118-120

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-drive-review/

[MrMurkle]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I’m sure that will be one of the main reasons I end up getting one, amongst all the other things I love about the car. I just want nothing to do with a ZF transmission and that will be the on,y choice at some point in the future.

M5comp uses zf8 and it's amazing. Guessing you havent driven many cars with a zf8. Lots are using it and it is very good.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by MrMurkle

M5comp uses zf8 and it's amazing. Guessing you havent driven many cars with a zf8. Lots are using it and it is very good.

I have a car with the ZF8 - it's my least favorite aspect of the car.

[MrMurkle]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I have a car with the ZF8 - it's my least favorite aspect of the car.

So you actually bought a car with a zf8 lol. I did too it was an S4 and the zf8 suited it very well

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by MrMurkle

So you actually bought a car with a zf8 lol. I did too it was an S4 and the zf8 suited it very well

Not exactly what I wanted - I’ve always wanted a Mini, so I got a JCW but with the ZF8. I leased it for daily driving duties (we have an M2 DCT and Porsche with PDK as the “keeper” cars).

When they come out with a 2021 or 2022 JCW with a manual, I’m sure I will be getting one of those.

I love the Mini but the transmission is a big let down after two PDKs and two DCTs I’ve had in my last 4 cars. It’s seriously slow and the downshifts aren’t much fun at all. Missed opportunity in my opinion. A true dual clutch would be a lot more fun in this car.

[bri1042]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Not exactly what I wanted - I’ve always wanted a Mini, so I got a JCW but with the ZF8. I leased it for daily driving duties (we have an M2 DCT and Porsche with PDK as the “keeper” cars).

When they come out with a 2021 or 2022 JCW with a manual, I’m sure I will be getting one of those.

I love the Mini but the transmission is a big let down after two PDKs and two DCTs I’ve had in my last 4 cars. It’s seriously slow and the downshifts aren’t much fun at all. Missed opportunity in my opinion. A true dual clutch would be a lot more fun in this car.

Your Mini didn't have a ZF8. ZF8's only go with longitudinal engines, Mini is transverse. I'm pretty sure it's an Aisin transmission (though there's DCT in the future, but possibly not for the US), the same one that's in the X1 and X2.

I've had 2 Zf8's, on non S-AT in my 13 328 and I wasn't very happy with it. The second was the sport-AT software on updated hardware in my '16 340, and it was pretty darn good (too good...it verged on boring it was so good). The ZF8 is programmed by manufacturers differently. The hardware is always stellar, but some car companies have bungled the programming.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by bri1042

Your Mini didn't have a ZF8. ZF8's only go with longitudinal engines, Mini is transverse. I'm pretty sure it's an Aisin transmission (though there's DCT in the future, but possibly not for the US), the same one that's in the X1 and X2.

I've had 2 Zf8's, on non S-AT in my 13 328 and I wasn't very happy with it. The second was the sport-AT software on updated hardware in my '16 340, and it was pretty darn good (too good...it verged on boring it was so good). The ZF8 is programmed by manufacturers differently. The hardware is always stellar, but some car companies have bungled the programming.

Yeah, not all ZF8 are the same either. Whether that's software or hardware being responsible for the difference, not sure. It's far more aggressive in the M5 than any other ZF8 I've ever driven. I'd say they trade blows when comparing DCT in the M4 to ZF8 in the M5. The M5 ZF8 is better in auto mode, smoother at low speeds, and when I drove them both on the track I managed to confuse DCT and get some long hesitations that I never had with the M5. On the other hand, the DCT seemed slightly crisper in the less aggressive modes.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by bri1042

The ZF8 is programmed by manufacturers differently. The hardware is always stellar, but some car companies have bungled the programming.

You're on the money, when you mention this.. I drove quite a few ZF8-equipped loaner cars, ranging from 2 to 7 series and I mean really pushed them, like full-coverage, IDGAF, pushed them and I distinctly remember some offerings used to bang/slam on gears, on rapid changes, akin to a manual, when you're coming off the clutch abruptly, in Sport & Sport+.

The sensation almost felt like something was broken but it was just humorous knowing that it was artificially injected, simply to exhibit a sportier feel.

Then there other ZF8s I've experienced, that although the gear changes were still lightening-fast and linear, almost bordering anemic, yet without all the fanfare of rugged gear changes but the power delivery still remained efficient.

Even with smaller 4 cylinder B48 motors, the ZF8 just meshes so well with the power delivery, that they both have a symbiotic relationship, that helps each other excel, at its given load.

Since the hardware where practically identical amongst all of them, with the exception to its electronic torque limits, varying one unit to the other, I can only assume the difference in tactile feedback is relative to each specific programing and model marketing.

[richard in NC]

I've had several ZF8s and liked them all. Definitely tuned differently in different models. The '13 X3 was the softest shifting but no lag and still perfect for the N55. The '16 X4 M40i was definitely more aggressive in sport mode and liked to downshift under hard braking. The M550i is fairly soft in comfort but perfectly sporty in sport modes. I've driven the M5 comp and its shifts are definitely on the firm side and nearly equal to the best DCT shifts, but nicer around town for sure.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by bri1042

Your Mini didn't have a ZF8. ZF8's only go with longitudinal engines, Mini is transverse. I'm pretty sure it's an Aisin transmission (though there's DCT in the future, but possibly not for the US), the same one that's in the X1 and X2.

I've had 2 Zf8's, on non S-AT in my 13 328 and I wasn't very happy with it. The second was the sport-AT software on updated hardware in my '16 340, and it was pretty darn good (too good...it verged on boring it was so good). The ZF8 is programmed by manufacturers differently. The hardware is always stellar, but some car companies have bungled the programming.

Fair enough - I was going by what the sales guy told me (this is my first Mini, although my mom had one previously).

In any case, I have driven the ZF8 in lower level BMWs and it was similarly awful to the 8 speed auto I have in my JCW.

Drive one back to back with a M-DCT or PDK, and it's hard to praise, at least in my humble opinion.

Originally Posted by chris719

Yeah, not all ZF8 are the same either. Whether that's software or hardware being responsible for the difference, not sure. It's far more aggressive in the M5 than any other ZF8 I've ever driven. I'd say they trade blows when comparing DCT in the M4 to ZF8 in the M5. The M5 ZF8 is better in auto mode, smoother at low speeds, and when I drove them both on the track I managed to confuse DCT and get some long hesitations that I never had with the M5. On the other hand, the DCT seemed slightly crisper in the less aggressive modes.

That's my major gripe with the ZF8, at least in the cars I have driven and know for sure have had it. Slow and dimwitted by comparison to the M-DCT and PDK.

It's definitely smooth, but that's not a selling point to me.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

That's my major gripe with the ZF8, at least in the cars I have driven and know for sure have had it. Slow and dimwitted by comparison to the M-DCT and PDK.

It's definitely smooth, but that's not a selling point to me.

It's not slow or dimwitted at all in the M5. Certain upshifts actually feel faster than DCT. You get a smoothness in the shifts that isn't there in DCT in some modes. It depends on the car, there is some weird bogging off the line that happens with the X3M/X4M but I don't know what is to blame.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by chris719

It's not slow or dimwitted at all in the M5. Certain upshifts actually feel faster than DCT. You get a smoothness in the shifts that isn't there in DCT in some modes. It depends on the car, there is some weird bogging off the line that happens with the X3M/X4M but I don't know what is to blame.

I've never driven the M5 - it sounds as though they've made progress.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I've never driven the M5 - it sounds as though they've made progress.

Yes, I thought so anyway. I'm not going to pretend it's better than DCT in all ways, but I don't think it's going to be a major negative.

[Bumpinjeep]

Anyway back on topic. Has anyone actually taken their M2C down a dragstrip?

[ONLYA6]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

Anyway back on topic. Has anyone actually taken their M2C down a dragstrip?

I went 11.7@120 with a JB Stage 1 piggyback, otherwise stock. Removed it now I'm getting a Dinan tune and have an AA midpipe. Expecting to make the same peak power but with having more under the curve from an actual tune I'm curious to see how it does this summer.

[Bumpinjeep]

Manual or DCT?I wonder if anyone else gets into the 11s completely stock?

[ONLYA6]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

Manual or DCT?I wonder if anyone else gets into the 11s completely stock?

DCT

[AM9]

Originally Posted by ONLYA6

I went 11.7@120 with a JB Stage 1 piggyback, otherwise stock. Removed it now I'm getting a Dinan tune and have an AA midpipe. Expecting to make the same peak power but with having more under the curve from an actual tune I'm curious to see how it does this summer.

What settings for your pass? MDM mode or launch control mode?

[ONLYA6]

Originally Posted by AM9

What settings for your pass? MDM mode or launch control mode?

LC. I managed a 1.8 60' on aired down stock tires.

[AM9]

Originally Posted by ONLYA6

LC. I managed a 1.8 60' on aired down stock tires.

I've rarely engage LC, is it that quick to engage. The manual says you have to drive 8 mi or something for it to then activate, or will it activate if already warmed up?

[ONLYA6]

Originally Posted by AM9

I've rarely engage LC, is it that quick to engage. The manual says you have to drive 8 mi or something for it to then activate, or will it activate if already warmed up?

I just set my M2 button to deactivate stability control and put it in manual mode. After it's warmed up then it's easy as tap M2 twice and go for it.