[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by Bimmercs

MadBimmeRad This car will be well appreciated in the years to come. Just like the wine , it gets better with time..especially with the new design language. It so plain and simple , the looks , the experience , the fun..in such a compact car (nowadays) .. who does really makes a car like this nowadays? the closest ''rival'' is a TWO seater Cayman GT4 , with an electric handbrake ! The beauty of the CS AND CSL ... 4 seats , everyday use and racetrack use ..legends.. from 3.0cs/csl until now. What im really afraid of , is not to take advantage of the monikers , and just throw them everywhere ..you know , we ve seen some strong ///marketing nowadays...

I could not agree with you more Bimmercs

As I've mentioned in other threads, I'm not a petrol-head although I truly appreciate marvels of automotive engineering.

M2CS is the closest modern BMW offering a semblance of my childhood dream car. That raw exhilaration that the 2002ti delivered all those years ago without all the theological advantages today's cars bring with them; just pure imperfect engineering that led to such perfect fun cars to drive and enjoy.

I suspect M2CS must feel as close we're ever going to get to the "purity of the motoring experience" that once upon a time BMW embodied into its works of motoring art like the 2002ti or the 3.0 CSL.

Yes, today's electric handbrake will do the same job as the mechanical ones of yesteryear, but can you pull up the handbrake and do a 180° turn at high speed with an electric handbrake? NO

That doesn't mean one would seek to do that anyhow. It's just good to know you still have a roaring wild beast that yields to your unrealistic demands loyally and expeditiously, rather than robotically and emotionlessly.

I think the CS is just the animal to do that.

It appears to me, with most modern day sports cars, technology drives the car more than the driver does. It's a pleasure, therefore, when you see a motoring genius as is the M2 CS which let's "you" drive rather than just take you there, "safely" but boringly.

I can't wait till mine arrives so I can sit in the driver's seat with my eyes closed imagining my seven year old self driving the 2002ti he always loved and yearned for.

For that reason, I wish BMW had only manufactured 2002 M2 CSs, what a tribute would that have been indeed.

[Al Bundy's Dodge]

Thanks for posting, enjoyed the videos.

While I think it comes as no surprise to anyone that has owned an M2 or M2C, it's still nice to see the M2CS receive the accolades. Congrats to BMW M indeed.

Agree with above sentiment that the YOU drive the M2, rather than the car drives you. The car begs you to drive it. And It's brilliant in its overall simplicity...especially with the 6MT. Who needs all the tech and luxury when you've got something that's this engaging and fun?

Anyway, while I'd love to have one, the CS is beyond my needs and skill...actually my OG M2 is beyond my needs and skill, so I guess that's a terrible reason. But to those that get their hands on a CS, congrats and I look forward to you sharing your excitement and thoughts on your car!

[F87EVO]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

I could not agree with you more Bimmercs

As I've mentioned in other threads, I'm not a petrol-head although I truly appreciate marvels of automotive engineering.

M2CS is the closest modern BMW offering a semblance of my childhood dream car. That raw exhilaration that the 2002ti delivered all those years ago without all the theological advantages today's cars bring with them; just pure imperfect engineering that led to such perfect fun cars to drive and enjoy.

I suspect M2CS must feel as close we're ever going to get to the "purity of the motoring experience" that once upon a time BMW embodied into its works of motoring art like the 2002ti or the 3.0 CSL.

Yes, today's electric handbrake will do the same job as the mechanical ones of yesteryear, but can you pull up the handbrake and do a 180° turn at high speed with an electric handbrake? NO

That doesn't mean one would seek to do that anyhow. It's just good to know you still have a roaring wild beast that yields to your unrealistic demands loyally and expeditiously, rather than robotically and emotionlessly.

I think the CS is just the animal to do that.

It appears to me, with most modern day sports cars, technology drives the car more than the driver does. It's a pleasure, therefore, when you see a motoring genius as is the M2 CS which let's "you" drive rather than just take you there, "safely" but boringly.

I can't wait till mine arrives so I can sit in the driver's seat with my eyes closed imagining my seven year old self driving the 2002ti he always loved and yearned for.

For that reason, I wish BMW had only manufactured 2002 M2 CSs, what a tribute would that have been indeed.

Not a coincidence all those 2s though . The M2 CS was a 2020 model , only 2200 build , and won the 22nd ECOTY ( From 1998-2020 )

Available with only 2 different transmissions , 2 different caliper colours , 2 different tire options , and 2 wheel colours.

Lol kidding . But a lot of 2s in reality.

[F87EVO]

Originally Posted by Al Bundy's Dodge

Thanks for posting, enjoyed the videos.

While I think it comes as no surprise to anyone that has owned an M2 or M2C, it's still nice to see the M2CS receive the accolades. Congrats to BMW M indeed.

Agree with above sentiment that the YOU drive the M2, rather than the car drives you. The car begs you to drive it. And It's brilliant in its overall simplicity...especially with the 6MT. Who needs all the tech and luxury when you've got something that's this engaging and fun?

Anyway, while I'd love to have one, the CS is beyond my needs and skill...actually my OG M2 is beyond my needs and skill, so I guess that's a terrible reason. But to those that get their hands on a CS, congrats and I look forward to you sharing your excitement and thoughts on your car!

Its simple as that - Lucky to own a F87 whatever the variant !

[AxM2CS]

... and it's 2 expensive and has 2 seats 2 many (according to some) lmao

MadBimmeRad - perhaps COVID and the year end will conspire to keep BMW production short of target and smack-dab on 2002 out the door .. we can hope

And about that Freudian slip regarding the *theological* advantages of modern cars, all I can say is perhaps BMW's marketing department and the M Team need to have a Coming-to-Jesus session to figure out the future of the brand!

[b2nvs2001]

Originally Posted by kyrocks

Don't hate yourself. (Look at your user name)



This has been discussed before, but yes, an awesome win!

But he's always late!! I'm definitely not envious though...

[Wah]

It tickles me that the conversation has turned to the 2002... I picked up a '74 2002 in Sept 2020, and I am in love with the raw feeling of driving a car with absolutely no computers interfering with the experience. It is such a joy to drive, and nice contrast to my modern vehicles. The M2CS purchase was not planned, but after hearing about how great of an M car it was, I had to have it. It is still in transit, but in my mind, it will always be a car I purchased in this unforgettable year. A 2002 and an M2 in 2020. What a strange year for me.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by Wah

It tickles me that the conversation has turned to the 2002... I picked up a '74 2002 in Sept 2020, and I am in love with the raw feeling of driving a car with absolutely no computers interfering with the experience. It is such a joy to drive, and nice contrast to my modern vehicles. The M2CS purchase was not planned, but after hearing about how great of an M car it was, I had to have it. It is still in transit, but in my mind, it will always be a car I purchased in this unforgettable year. A 2002 and an M2 in 2020. What a strange year for me.

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At last someone who feels what I'm talking about.

Yes indeed, my next purchase will certainly be a 2002.

May I congratulate you on your exquisite taste in your choices of motoring purchase in 2020

[Sphygmomanometer]

I just finished reading this issue of Evo and although I liked the YouTube videos the eCoty articles are on a different level. It was exciting to follow these guys every day of that week and see how they were feeling about each car. I was surprised about the result but I can see how it came to be and I welcome their decision.

Overall this year a few cars that saw improvements over the past few years did well, i.e. Civic Type R, Huracan Evo RWD and the M2 CS.

Originally Posted by KINY3RA

Kudos to the M2 CS! I noticed something however, in the first part of the ECOTY, there's a Bentley Continental! Is it the V8 or the W12? We only see it getting offloaded, and in the parking bay getting a wipe down before being driven off (mind you this is an assumption) because we see NO action or evidence of it on track! Was it THAT bad? Did it break down? No mention of it anywhere. Or it was a filler car, to even out the numbers. A bit strange for a now show for such a big name.

It was the V8 and yep, they didn't mention it really in the videos but there is an article in the magazine where they put it against the 911 Turbo S and although they liked it it's not surprising they didn't consider it for the next round.

[clutchdj]

I thought the review was good. Clearly EVO is still grounded around the thrill of driving. My M2C is surprisingly fun. More fun on track. CS i think is perfect with weight reduction in all the right places. I personally think it beat the Lamborghini and McLaren because neither had 3 pedals.

[lnwlf7]

Originally Posted by Amgeater2

Sure I can buy the car any time so.. lets pretend again that its to make M2 owners feel great

You are not the only one who can buy this car! But it was not the question if you can aford it.

[cncmastr]

Originally Posted by Davil

How can anyone say part 2 is boring? Lots of nice footage of lovely cars in beautiful scenery and shots of many respected anoraks actually wearing anoraks whilst calmly pontificating their opinions. Bonus points for constantly talking about the weather. So British. Love it.

I was scrolling through the responses here and yours stood out because I was going to chime in that as much as I wanted to like the videos, I felt after watching five or 10 minutes of it it just became redundant. I was pretty much bored watching the first part and partway through the second part. I found myself asking, myself, why am I watching us this just seems pretty boring.

[Moflow]

Originally Posted by Bimmercs

Its simple as that - Lucky to own a F87 whatever the variant !

A base 230i is a compact rwd coupe with enough power to have fun in and its available with a manual transmission.

Big picture, that’s a cooler car than 95 percent of the stuff out there.

We are all very very lucky people to have these cars in the grand scheme of things.

[Davil]

Originally Posted by cncmastr

I was scrolling through the responses here and yours stood out because I was going to chime in that as much as I wanted to like the videos, I felt after watching five or 10 minutes of it it just became redundant. I was pretty much bored watching the first part and partway through the second part. I found myself asking, myself, why am I watching us this just seems pretty boring.

It's a cultural thing. Americans like shouting and action.

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by Moflow

A base 230i is a compact rwd coupe, with enough power to have fun in and its available with a manual transmission.

Big picture, that’s a cooler car than 95 percent of the stuff out there.

We are all very very lucky people to have these cars in the grand scheme of things.

I test drove a 230i. It was a zippy little car for the same price as a decked out GTI. Add some coilovers, bigger wheels and tires, you've got yourself a serious car.

[Jimjamz]

This just arrived in the mail from eBay. A great read and one I'm going to enjoy keeping coming back to. Looking at the competition the F87 CS had to beat to win is a little mind numbing. Not sure if it will ever be repeated.

It's one thing to be the best BMW but to be the best among the legends of automotive manufacturing is something else (unless you're Porsche apparently).

[CarJunkie]

I'm surprised they didn't put the winner in the cover, or is that their usual tease?

[Bimmed Out]

Originally Posted by CarJunkie

I'm surprised they didn't put the winner in the cover, or is that their usual tease?

The cover should have had the subtitle:

///M. IS. BACK.

[Jimjamz]

Originally Posted by CarJunkie

I'm surprised they didn't put the winner in the cover, or is that their usual tease?

That would definitely ruin any suspense. In fact, it's not declared until quite late in the magazine.

[ScullyD]

Reading all of the EVO Reviews of the CS (their original review, the feature in October where they look at the CS and do a comparo review to the GT4, and then the eCoty take), its clear they found this to be a very special car. It did lose the comparo to the GT4, but it seemed to be more that car guys in general don't like to have anything beat the GT4 because that stands for everything people love about cars. I personally view EVO as the car bible, as i've read that magazine for over 20 years faithfully. The CS winning eCoty is a big deal in my opinion, and made me pull the trigger to buy one.

The ethos of EVO had always been "thrill of driving" not "thrill of tracking", and that has shown up in eCoty for years. This year's eCoty is a perfect example of that, they use the track to whittle down the final list but go to B roads to crown the winner. This is why the GT4 and M2 CS have beaten out supercars, because those supercars are less exploitable and possibly less enjoyable on the road. There are few cars I'd honestly want to own over my M2 CS (maybe a 911R, but probably not any of the supercars it beat). Its a beautiful, understated and amazing road car. The level of chassis tuning and steering work is what you are paying the 25k premium over the Competition in my opinion, not the carbon bits and extra power. I'll probably upset M2C owners, but i owned an original M2, drove an M2C, and i would not pay 60k for an M2C. I would not hesitate to pay 85k for the CS again after spending the past couple weeks driving it. Its that much better than the M2C.

But i don't believe this is an "M is Back" situation, but rather a one-off great car which we probably won't see from BMW ever again. Enjoy it, and anyone who didn't buy one, go buy one while they are still available if you want it.

[Davil]

I suspected as much.

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=30302913

[sdhotwn]

It being the non CS it's not terrible with the company it was keeping. Will be interesting to see how the CS does in a couple years. Hopefully the trend continues of them being strong limited availability hits with impressive driving dynamics. As the years go on I think that trend will treat that sub model variant well in the various product lines.