M2 dct v m235i auto

ASAP · 08-24-2016, 06:54 AM

Drove an M2 extensively last week... the reality is that it cant hide the fact that it has an N55... otherwise great car.

Robin_NL · 08-24-2016, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ABPReader

That moment when a M2 owner thinks that he drives a supercar

That moment when someone on the forum thinks the M235i/M240i drives 100% just like the 'M2 supercar' for less money.

Cheers
Robin

ABPReader · 08-24-2016, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Robin_NL

That moment when someone on the forum thinks the M235i/M240i drives 100% just like the 'M2 supercar' for less money.

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Robin

Where did I say that ? Thanks god the M2 doesn't drive like M235i/M240i, it would be a shame if the M2 was equal on the track and slower in straight line.

BimmerLOVER1234 · 08-24-2016, 07:15 AM

Well as a budget M car, the M2 still offers absolute bang for buck in its segment to comparable models i guess This video is kinda depressing, waiting for the m240 and m2 to come so i can select between them or the 718, and the thought that the m240i will be faster in the straight line (and possibly better for daily driving) makes it hard to make a decision since the price difference between the two i about 60 grand where i live.

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Drove an M2 extensively last week... the reality is that it cant hide the fact that it has an N55... otherwise great car.

Spot on with how i feel after driving it... i love the look and the handling though, just that the engine is a bit of a dower when the other 2 series models are getting the b58.

A few videos of the B58's performance are already showing up on the babybmw forums, and even a comparison video. One of them i saw (with the m140i in it) had the m2 owner mention he was considering a swap cause he was just so impressed by improvements to both the gearbox and just how cleanly the b58 pulls. The M2 is just such a killer with it's looks though.

Well i guess. such is progress.

Robin_NL · 08-24-2016, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ABPReader

Where did I say that ? Thanks god the M2 doesn't drive like M235i/M240i, it would be a shame if the M2 was equal on the track and slower in straight line.

And where did koastal say the M2 is a supercar?!

Nuff said.

Cheers
Robin

seccsc · 08-24-2016, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ASAP

Drove an M2 extensively last week... the reality is that it cant hide the fact that it has an N55... otherwise great car.

Designated as an N55 engine. However, IMO I would consider the M2 engine not an N55 due to the amount M-Div modifications. Cheers!

ABPReader · 08-24-2016, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Robin_NL

And where did koastal say the M2 is a supercar?!

Nuff said.

Cheers
Robin

This is not an answer...

In Europe and in the US, the difference of price is not big enough to be arrogant. A M3 owner can tell a 316i owner "If you dont have the money just say so" (if he's a douchebag), doesn't make sense here.
People who buy the m235i/m240i instead of the M2 have others reasons for example :

- The M2 didn't exist when they bought their cars
- They don't want to wait at least one year
- They need 4x4
...

I used the word "supercar" only because supercars are expensive, nothing to do with performance, drivability, ...

Now, where did I say something about the m2 vs m235i/m240i ?

five3three · 08-24-2016, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by koastal

If you dont have the money just say so

Love this comment and how some folks can't take criticism of their car. It is just a car.

My 235 that I got well over two years ago was optioned out to cost the exact same as an M2 does. I guess that means I can't afford an M2. I also guess the fact that I will be shopping for an M3 or M4 next and skipping the M2 means that I can't afford an M2.

I think you missed my point entirely. I went to that session wanting to love the M2 but came out of it unimpressed and wanting something better. I never even said that the 235 was any better...rather that the M2 would dominate on shorter tracks but left a bit to be desired in 50 to 120+ pulls. But I guess the fact that I didn't like a car as much as you is like me insulting your first born child and resorting to personal insults.

Get a fucking life if you can't come up with a constructive response.

Robin_NL · 08-24-2016, 08:17 AM

@APBReader: Probably koastal's reply was uncalled for, BUT the other guy appeared to be justifying his M235i way too much. M2 is just a souped up M235i or something like that? An M235i is 'just a 220d with an N55', that's what I think lol. Totally different cars.

Your 'supercar pretending' thingy wasn't exactly what we were waiting for either, that's when I jumped in.

to da rescue

If 10k euros/US$ is the difference in 240i/M2 and one doesn't want to spend more than xxx$ be done with it (and I do understand) but don't justify the M235i vs the M2 with nonsense arguments imho.

Cheers
Robin

dmboone25 · 08-24-2016, 08:22 AM

I don't think any comparison test has shown an advantage in acceleration for the 235 vs. the M2? That makes me take this sort of result with a grain of salt.

Having had a 235 for a year and a half, there was never any doubt that it had a strong engine - especially up top. It's the areas down below that the M2 will outshine it, and rightfully so - in the brakes, suspension, chassis, and exhaust note departments.

This is similar to the N54 335 vs. E92 M3 days - of course you can see instances where the 335 was faster from an acceleration standpoint, but that wasn't really the purpose of the M3.

Same thing here - the M2 and 235 are really specced for different purposes - it is as simple as that.

Longboarder · 08-24-2016, 08:23 AM

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Does at our SoCal airstrip and track events.

This sounds intriguing. What organization?

Sorry didn't notice you were already in SoCal. Have you been to any of the events? Shift Sector, NoFlyZone, or tracked at ACS?

440xiGCMsport · 08-24-2016, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mofomat

There's always going to be very little between them. It's not how QUICK you get there, but HOW you get there.

It doesn't matter how you get there but who gets there first and how you look getting there.

five3three · 08-24-2016, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Robin_NL

@APBReader: Probably koastal's reply was uncalled for, BUT the other guy appeared to be justifying his M235i way too much...

If 10k euros/US$ is the difference in 240i/M2 and one doesn't want to spend more than xxx$ be done with it (and I do understand) but don't justify the M235i vs the M2 with nonsense arguments imho.

Cheers
Robin

A similarly optioned 235 is within a couple of thousand dollars so no real M2 premium here in the US. The asshole's comment was definitely uncalled for and makes no sense when they cost almost the same.

Please let me know how I was justifying my 235? With my lease about to end I am looking for another vehicle. I was almost certain it would be the M2 until I actually drove it. It left me wanting a little more from my next car. I fully recognize the weaknesses of my current vehicle and also the desires I want from my next vehicle. If this were two and a half years ago, I would have ordered the M2 sight unseen instead of the 235. However, I don't think that the M2 checks all the boxes I am now looking for. But I think there are other M cars that do so I am leaning in the M3/4 direction now (which I guess cost less than koastal's M2 since that one is unaffordable). No reason people can't have civilized discussions without some fanboy jumping in and making a "you can't afford the new iPhone" type comment.

cncmastr · 08-24-2016, 08:55 AM

At least the M2 sounds better.

Bmwbb · 08-24-2016, 09:26 AM

no need to argue imo. Just buy the car you like and drive it. No need to justified your choice as long as u like it. It is your money after all. If faster than anything is your aim, I suggest you to be buy a heavily modded second hand skyline. Don't think any stock m cars can match that in a straight line.

Robin_NL · 08-24-2016, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by five3three

A similarly optioned 235 is within a couple of thousand dollars so no real M2 premium here in the US. The asshole's comment was definitely uncalled for and makes no sense when they cost almost the same.

Please let me know how I was justifying my 235? With my lease about to end I am looking for another vehicle. I was almost certain it would be the M2 until I actually drove it. It left me wanting a little more from my next car. I fully recognize the weaknesses of my current vehicle and also the desires I want from my next vehicle. If this were two and a half years ago, I would have ordered the M2 sight unseen instead of the 235. However, I don't think that the M2 checks all the boxes I am now looking for. But I think there are other M cars that do so I am leaning in the M3/4 direction now (which I guess cost less than koastal's M2 since that one is unaffordable). No reason people can't have civilized discussions without some fanboy jumping in and making a "you can't afford the new iPhone" type comment.

Fair enough.
I'd say go for an M3/4.(no sarcasm) Excellent engine!

Cheers
Robin

mc3456 · 08-24-2016, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Phatcat

Here's a R&T test.

The Road & Track test shows a manual M235i.

NISFAN · 08-24-2016, 09:59 AM

So once the M2's overboost runs out and its more chunky aero starts facing some high speed winds, its little, longer geared brother gives it a good run? Seems reasonable.

Watching comparison videos between M135i and M140i, it seems the Mx40i really has moved a step ahead. So would be interesting to see an M2 / M240i shootout.

It is a shame BMW didn't fit the S55 in a slightly detuned form into the M2.

BentZero · 08-24-2016, 10:30 AM

Lol, M2 owners are all butt hurt. Who cares if it's a different day with a 2° difference in temps. In a straight line the M2 SHOULD always come out well ahead with these types of differences, but it doesn't.

That said, it's always been my stance that the M2 drives better and that's where you appreciate the difference in price.

Overall, the M2 is a great car. Its just more car than I need. My M235i is great for what I need. No hate. I love both of them.

Phatcat · 08-24-2016, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mc3456

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Originally Posted by Phatcat

Here's a R&T test.

The Road & Track test shows a manual M235i.

M2 also manual in that comparison test.

//M235ixD · 08-24-2016, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by tc328

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Originally Posted by mofomat

There's always going to be very little between them. It's not how QUICK you get there, but HOW you get there.

And they both get there the same way

we are talking about fast cars so it is how quickly you get there

Red Bread · 08-24-2016, 12:26 PM

C&D tested both at different times, but you can compare all performance from 0-150 mph and the M2 is simply quicker to all speeds (pull the data sheets for full details).

However the M235i is 1.7s behind at 120mph and only 0.8s at 140, but drops back to 1.3s by 150. Cherry picking 100-140, the M235i is actually 0.4s quicker and 110-140 is 0.6s faster than the M2. I'd guess this has more to do with aerodynamics and drag coefficient than power though, since the M235i is listed as 0.33 and the M2 is 0.35.

My old M Coupe was quicker than an M3 until about 100mph when it's awful drag coefficient caught up to it. Never made me want an M3 instead though.

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Robin_NL S0THPAW 8717 Rep 7,846 Posts Drives: HS M2 Competition Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Netherlands iTrader: (0)	@APBReader: Probably koastal's reply was uncalled for, BUT the other guy appeared to be justifying his M235i way too much. M2 is just a souped up M235i or something like that? An M235i is 'just a 220d with an N55', that's what I think lol. Totally different cars. Your 'supercar pretending' thingy wasn't exactly what we were waiting for either, that's when I jumped in. to da rescue If 10k euros/US$ is the difference in 240i/M2 and one doesn't want to spend more than xxx$ be done with it (and I do understand) but don't justify the M235i vs the M2 with nonsense arguments imho. Cheers Robin
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Bmwbb Private First Class 29 Rep 103 Posts Drives: M2 Join Date: May 2016 Location: Hong Kong iTrader: (0)	no need to argue imo. Just buy the car you like and drive it. No need to justified your choice as long as u like it. It is your money after all. If faster than anything is your aim, I suggest you to be buy a heavily modded second hand skyline. Don't think any stock m cars can match that in a straight line.
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NISFAN Major General 3489 Rep 9,709 Posts Drives: BMW M2 Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Bedford UK iTrader: (0)	So once the M2's overboost runs out and its more chunky aero starts facing some high speed winds, its little, longer geared brother gives it a good run? Seems reasonable. Watching comparison videos between M135i and M140i, it seems the Mx40i really has moved a step ahead. So would be interesting to see an M2 / M240i shootout. It is a shame BMW didn't fit the S55 in a slightly detuned form into the M2.
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BentZero Lieutenant Colonel 625 Rep 1,753 Posts Drives: 6MT Mineral White M235i Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Charleston, SC iTrader: (2)	Lol, M2 owners are all butt hurt. Who cares if it's a different day with a 2° difference in temps. In a straight line the M2 SHOULD always come out well ahead with these types of differences, but it doesn't. That said, it's always been my stance that the M2 drives better and that's where you appreciate the difference in price. Overall, the M2 is a great car. Its just more car than I need. My M235i is great for what I need. No hate. I love both of them. __________________ I rev-match from neutral to first 6MT Mineral White on black M235i coupe Build thread
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Red Bread Major General 4463 Rep 9,160 Posts Drives: Smog machines Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Austin, TX iTrader: (0)	C&D tested both at different times, but you can compare all performance from 0-150 mph and the M2 is simply quicker to all speeds (pull the data sheets for full details). However the M235i is 1.7s behind at 120mph and only 0.8s at 140, but drops back to 1.3s by 150. Cherry picking 100-140, the M235i is actually 0.4s quicker and 110-140 is 0.6s faster than the M2. I'd guess this has more to do with aerodynamics and drag coefficient than power though, since the M235i is listed as 0.33 and the M2 is 0.35. My old M Coupe was quicker than an M3 until about 100mph when it's awful drag coefficient caught up to it. Never made me want an M3 instead though.
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