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      11-08-2019, 01:41 AM   #67
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I own a 2019 M2C with a CS tune and I have been having loads of fun on track. Would I spend another $20k+ on a M2 CS? Hell no! I have a deposit on a $85K C8 Corvette and I will keep my deposit there.
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I own a 2019 M2C with a CS tune and I have been having loads of fun on track. Would I spend another $20k+ on a M2 CS? Hell no! I have a deposit on a $85K C8 Corvette and I will keep my deposit there.
Who did you go through for the CS tune? Are you worried about warranty?
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ARGH. Is this confirmed? What weight is that even going to save? 5 grams?
What a crazy idea. I love the comfort access.
No 'comfort access' option available on the M2 CS.
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ARGH. Is this confirmed? What weight is that even going to save? 5 grams?
What a crazy idea. I love the comfort access.
No 'comfort access' option available on the M2 CS.
Just adds to that special and analog feel to it I guess 😉.

We've all seen the petrolicious videos of someone waking up early and putting the key into a special vehicle. This will be just like that! Pure driving emotion lol
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I've been reading and following through on this thread and others on the OG M2 Forum.

Basically, if you have an M2, OG or Competition I don't see the value in upgrading to the M2cs???

However, if your in the market for a first time M2.....I'd definitely consider it as it is a very nice refined package.
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      11-10-2019, 01:25 AM   #72
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ARGH. Is this confirmed? What weight is that even going to save? 5 grams?
What a crazy idea. I love the comfort access.
No 'comfort access' option available on the M2 CS.
Thanks. As you are the M2cs oracle, what about missing speakers like M4cs? Do you get all speakers?

Also, are those vile gold calipers that come with carbon ceramics actually the same as the delicious red ones?
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Removing comfort access and other ''luxury'' stuff that weights next to nothing on the behalf of weight saving is almost frustrating.

On top of it BMW must save considerable $ doing this, even the average uneducated buyer can summerise that he's getting less for more..

Almost feels like that car came from the marketing departement more than the M division

I'll wait for the reviews for final judgement but I bet its going to be like the M4cs, some suspension tuning, lighter wheels and grippier tires will mostly make the biggest difference.
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Removing comfort access and other ''luxury'' stuff that weights next to nothing on the behalf of weight saving is almost frustrating.

On top of it BMW must save considerable $ doing this, even the average uneducated buyer can summerise that he's getting less for more..

Almost feels like that car came from the marketing departement more than the M division

I'll wait for the reviews for final judgement but I bet its going to be like the M4cs, some suspension tuning, lighter wheels and grippier tires will mostly make the biggest difference.
This is a cash grab car from BMW taken from the pages of the Porsche marketing manual. It doesn’t need to be marked up as high as it is.
I have owned 30 years of Porsche 911’s and Porsche has absolutely lost their mind with the new option pricing. The cars are being built with cheaper materials and Porsche still pushes as far as they can go with up charges. The newbies looking for status can’t see it as they have no point of reference.

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BMW M2 CS faster at Sachsenring than 911 Carerra S, AMG GT S, 718 Cayman GTS and R8 V10

https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/11/09/b...ts-and-r8-v10/
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I'd like to add...

I just thought of the potential personal property tax I'd have to pay living in VA. Uuugggghhh!

I hate giving the taxman free money!

I'm extra bitter this morning as I just saw my new payslip...I had just gotten a raise...or should I say the taxman just got a raise?! Ahhhhh!
Be prepared for it to go higher after the recent elections. I work hard but man, especially with the car property tax, if you’re rich here it’s better to buy a cheap car.
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The 39HP, the seats, hood and roof are about the only things off the top of my head that aren't from the catalogue.
The 2 biggest differences are in fact the brakes and suspension.
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BMW M2 CS faster at Sachsenring than 911 Carerra S, AMG GT S, 718 Cayman GTS and R8 V10

https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/11/09/b...ts-and-r8-v10/
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I know this sounds sarcastic, but not my intention.

I seriously doubt tenth of a second differences in lap times at Sachsenring are relevant to 99%+ of potential car buyers looking to purchase any of the vehicles listed.

Regardless, if tenths of a second are an important deciding factor, the M2CS offers an apparent 0.69 second advantage over the M2C at Sachsenring.

Worth the anticipated upcharge of approximately $25K?

All the more reason why the M2C remains so appealing.

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BMW M2 CS faster at Sachsenring than 911 Carerra S, AMG GT S, 718 Cayman GTS and R8 V10

https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/11/09/b...ts-and-r8-v10/
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I know this sounds sarcastic, but not my intention.

I seriously doubt tenth of a second differences in lap times at Sachsenring are relevant to 99%+ of potential car buyers looking to purchase any of the vehicles listed.

Regardless, if tenths of a second are an important deciding factor, the M2CS offers an apparent 0.69 second advantage over the M2C at Sachsenring.

Worth the anticipated upcharge of approximately $25K?

All the more reason why the M2C remains so appealing.

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Very valid point. If one is looking at a track monster, honestly, they're better off buying a M2C, stripping it and tuning it.

The market where the M2CS corners, is for the occasional track guy/girl and someone who loves to drive for the sheer analog driving pleasure. Not to mention someone who wants a dose of exclusivity.

And believe me, there is a market for that exact type of demographic. And sure many may argue it may not be worth the extra $25K, but that's just their opinion...
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I’m probably the only person that prefers Dakota leather (better wear characteristics).
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I’m probably the only person that prefers Dakota leather (better wear characteristics).
No, I like it too in the M2C. The stiffness works in the M seats. I have the butter soft merino in my X5 50 M-sport and it fits that vehicles luxury profile.
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Disclaimer, I'm a M2C owner. Where I live there are lots of super nice unique cars. For me the M2CS is not unique enough for a big price hike. Anything over $15K is not worth it for me. I'd rather modifying to my tastes.

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I know this sounds sarcastic, but not my intention.

I seriously doubt tenth of a second differences in lap times at Sachsenring are relevant to 99%+ of potential car buyers looking to purchase any of the vehicles listed.

Regardless, if tenths of a second are an important deciding factor, the M2CS offers an apparent 0.69 second advantage over the M2C at Sachsenring.

Worth the anticipated upcharge of approximately $25K?

All the more reason why the M2C remains so appealing.

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I think, overall, that the CS is representative of the things many folks would change and/or spec on the Comp if possible. Similar to the GTS approach in Porsche land.

BMW didn’t get the pricing right for the M3/4 CS, as the initial cost of admission was just too high, relative to the objective performance benefit.

On the M2CS, however, you can’t get a CF roof, 763Ms, Sport Cup 2 tires, adaptive suspension, etc. (plus all the visually distinguishing CF parts that come standard) from the factory until now. I’d hazard a guess that the price of admission here is “more” worth it as a result. I really hope it comes in under 80k in the USA without DCT and CCB. Like a 718 GTS, that would be a damn good price for everything you’re getting.

A lot of people talking about modding a Comp are correct - you CAN do it...but don’t discount the value of it coming as a cohesive package from BMW, and with your factory warranty. AND that you get to pay your local dealer to install those various parts as well...
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The 39HP, the seats, hood and roof are about the only things off the top of my head that aren't from the catalogue.
The 2 biggest differences are in fact the brakes and suspension.
The spoiler and splitter are not from the catalogue. Looks like none of the parts really are, even though you can get similar but not identical ones from M Performance. Looks to me like alcantara steering wheel and the red calipers are the only carry over, and even then CS skips the word 'performance' on all the bits.
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I think, overall, that the CS is representative of the things many folks would change and/or spec on the Comp if possible. Similar to the GTS approach in Porsche land.

BMW didn’t get the pricing right for the M3/4 CS, as the initial cost of admission was just too high, relative to the objective performance benefit.

On the M2CS, however, you can’t get a CF roof, 763Ms, Sport Cup 2 tires, adaptive suspension, etc. (plus all the visually distinguishing CF parts that come standard) from the factory until now. I’d hazard a guess that the price of admission here is “more” worth it as a result. I really hope it comes in under 80k in the USA without DCT and CCB. Like a 718 GTS, that would be a damn good price for everything you’re getting.

A lot of people talking about modding a Comp are correct - you CAN do it...but don’t discount the value of it coming as a cohesive package from BMW, and with your factory warranty. AND that you get to pay your local dealer to install those various parts as well...
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I understand your points and cannot argue with them when it comes to certain aspects of the M2CS. In fact, I do not wish to give you, or anyone the impression that I am 'arguing' at all. Rather, my hope is that my comments and views represent a healthy contribution to discussion at hand.

That said, Boost, like many, tried to equate anticipated $25K cost increase to enhanced performance over the M2C. As objective example, the M2CS offers an apparent 0.69 second advantage over the M2C at Sachsenring.

BMW can throw all the carbon fiber parts, exhaust, suspension, etc they want on the M2CS and it will never equate to the $25K cost increase in performance the M2C already offers.

Performance aside, others have stated the aesthetics and exclusivity associated with owning an M2CS is worth the $25K cost increase over the M2C. I cannot argue, although I do not adhere to such opinion.

The M2C just falls into a ‘sweet spot’ on so many levels that, IMHO, BMW is going through ‘subtraction by addition’ with the M2CS.

Ultimately, I am certain there will be 2,200, or so very happy M2CS owners in the world, however, there will be far more M2C owners just as happy with an extra $25K in their pockets. . . and a literal snap of the fingers behind M2CS owners at Sachsenring.

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I understand your points and cannot argue with them when it comes to certain aspects of the M2CS. In fact, I do not wish to give you, or anyone the impression that I am 'arguing' at all. Rather, my hope is that my comments and views represent a healthy contribution to discussion at hand.

That said, Boost, like many, tried to equate anticipated $25K cost increase to enhanced performance over the M2C. As objective example, the M2CS offers an apparent 0.69 second advantage over the M2C at Sachsenring.

BMW can throw all the carbon fiber parts, exhaust, suspension, etc they want on the M2CS and it will never equate to the $25K cost increase in performance the M2C already offers.

Performance aside, others have stated the aesthetics and exclusivity associated with owning an M2CS is worth the $25K cost increase over the M2C. I cannot argue, although I do not adhere to such opinion.

The M2C just falls into a ‘sweet spot’ on so many levels that, IMHO, BMW is going through ‘subtraction by addition’ with the M2CS.

Ultimately, I am certain there will be 2,200, or so very happy M2CS owners in the world, however, there will be far more M2C owners just as happy with an extra $25K in their pockets. . . and a literal snap of the fingers behind M2CS owners at Sachsenring.

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Yes and with a CS or faster tune and the same Cup 2 tires I predict that edge will melt away. From my perspective the performance of the adaptive suspension is the only true performance wild card. It might be great, but maybe not.
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A new M2C makes sense because it's a ton of car at the $60K-ish price point.

A new M2CS at $90-100K stops making sense pretty quickly, seeing how it's nothing more than a parts catalog "special".

Just my $0.02.
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A new M2C makes sense because it's a ton of car at the $60K-ish price point.

A new M2CS at $90-100K stops making sense pretty quickly, seeing how it's nothing more than a parts catalog "special".

Just my $0.02.
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I am not certain if your numbers at $90-100K are accurate? I should say, I sure as heck hope they are not accurate.

I was anticipating $80-85K based on this and other threads pertaining to the M2CS . . . hence my suggesting that the M2CS is not $25K more than what the M2C has to offer.

If you are correct in your suggested M2CS price of $90-100K, I have no idea how BMW could justify the price? Honestly, an insult to the M2C and owners.

I just jumped onto the web and looked up the price on a new 2020 M4 with Competition package. . . first one I came up with came in at $91K.

I am starting to see why the M2CS is a limited release . . .

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