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M2C rotors F-13.78kg R-11.30kg M2CS CCB rotors F-7.40kg R-5.82kg Weight savings from CCB rotors- 23.72kg or 52.29lbs So more than half of that 94.79lbs is from the $8k CCB. The 763M wheels save about 5-6lbs per corner, over the heavy 788M wheels. Leaves about 20-ish lbs for the carbon bits. Remember things like the adaptive suspension add some weight. Last edited by hellrotm; 11-07-2019 at 12:06 AM.. |
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11-07-2019, 12:33 AM | #576 | |
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However, BMW claims that the Adaptive Dampers are actually lighter than the base setup. https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1005164 |
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My initial reaction to the adaptive suspension is that it adds weight, knowing the stock static damper is noticeably lighter than the MP coilover (made of aluminum).
However, BMW stated for M3/4 the adaptive suspension (aluminum) actually saves weight, for the marketing material. Though we know BMW document makes mistakes all the time. Most ridiculous and recent ones being the M2 N55 having a closed deck, and 1M has a "high performance V8" says its user manual. Now that they show the CS with the same weight as competition despite of new hood/roof/console/wheel, which combined is a 50lbs hard saving, period. All make me believe the adaptive suspension really adds all the weight back.
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F8x EDC front strut - 2.885kg or 6.36lbs Non-EDC front strut - 2.648kg or 5.84lbs EDC rear strut - 2.052kg or 4.52lbs Non-EDC rear strut - 1.822kg or 4.02lbs |
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11-07-2019, 01:25 AM | #581 | |
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I would not worry about any extra weight from the adaptive system. Electronics and even small DC motors are really light in general. |
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Maybe, if M makes a car that truly serves as the apex of it class, then maybe that will sell far beyond their expectations and everyone is happy. Instead, what we get is another ///Marketing exercise into BADGE sell out. Of course there are people out there that want to buy the highest end M2 money can buy. But for what? So it sits in their garage? So they can show it off to their equally simpleton friends? To say they have it? This defeats the whole purpose of the M2!! I'm ok with adding better leather and options to make it a better DD. However this car seems like the brainchild of accountants trying to make a quick buck. I'm still holding hope for a more detailed info on the specs. Maybe they re-tuned something or made some advances elsewhere. As it is though, this car is not worth its 80k markup. Also this is not a collectors car, stop justifying it. |
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11-07-2019, 06:32 AM | #584 | ||
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This is how it typically works in the auto insurance. They create a series vehicles and market them, as the model's life-cycle progresses, they build on it and release spinoffs, until it's discontinued, in an attempt to recoup the cost of the R&D and generate a profit for said model. If they had to engineer a specific, new model every year from scratch, just to keep you happy, the added expenses would send them into bankruptcy. I don't understand what all the bitching is about, there are only 2,200 vehicles divvy up between 7 billion people on earth; you have a better chance of getting struck by lightning twice, than you would be afforded an opportunity to even acquire one. So don't loose any sleep over it, it's not for you anyways. I'm sure someone else will find value in its existence. |
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Sheesh, the butthurt is heavy in all of these threads.
Lots of folks trying to justify their purchases and crapping on the CS, lol. Twisting and exaggerating prices and comparisons to fit their butthertedness. Don’t like it? Don’t buy it.
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I'm tired of BMW making high performance vehicles that surpass each of their own historical icons in almost every way while being able to keep myself and my kids safe in a traffic accident. BMW clearly lacks vision as all we really need are stripped out cars with roll cages to keep us safe during our daily activities.
I hope the humor was shining through in this post. In all seriousness the older generation of vehicles were not nearly as safe as today's production vehicles. It's amazing what accidents are now survivable, and minor accidents that cause no injury. For those that are unfamiliar with roll cages. You would never want to actually drive in a car with a cage without a helmet. You can actually be killed by the very structure that is there to protect you in the event of whacking your head on the cage in an accident. Obviously restraints, and full/half cage impact risk but I'm trying to make the point that a lot of thought goes into interior materials and safety. |
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I'm not loosing sleep over it, as I don't care for the car. I am, however, tired of seeing BMW stretch the limit of how far they can go to make a quick dollar. I am also tired of the people in this forum just laying down and taking that Big Bavarian Wurst because daddy told them too. Money and brains clearly are not on the same level. Objectively, this car is sham. Unless they come out with a spec sheet that details what makes this car so above the rest, I will keep calling it a sham. It's not for me anyways. |
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Whether they're attempting to create a cool and desirable take on a car or tying it directly to another brand, the effect can be strong. It doesn't have to attract people directly, just inject themselves into the zeitgeist and bring attention to their product for a halo effect. Subaru has the WRX STI Type RA, Ford has Focus RS Heritage and now BMW has the CS to flaunt. They don't expect everyone to accept it but merely take note. |
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