[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by dgm3

The M2CS had the ceramic brakes and the M2C had probably like most M2C on the road in Europe few heavy options like the sport brakes/electrical sport seats, hence the 43 kg difference. Would they had tested a real base EU M2C (something probably impossible to find on the market) figures would have been closer, the difference being just the ceramic brakes.

Bottom line if you compare (in Europe) a base M2C and a base M2CS weight will be identical. If you compare (in Europe) a typically optioned M2C and a M2CS with ceramics the weight difference will be around 50 kg.

The adaptive suspension is probably ~ 40lbs so the weight loss is a little more significant when you add that component in.

It is possible the 6MT could lose more weight, TBD.

Anyone know how much the Particulate Filter system weighs?

[Throttleblip]

not sure this video has been posted with the CS and its race car "equivalent". https://www.insta-stalker.me/post/B4hoSrBF7al

[Tornado1M]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

Not sure why the 1M is a topic....It is amazing IMO, but if it it is not your thing, then it is not your thing.

That is the beauty of being a car enthusiast, we all like what we like and get to make the choice on what we drive and own.

The fact that the 1M is brought up so much in this forum, comparing it to this and that, nearly a decade later speaks directly to its relevance!

[OG///M]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

In The M2 CS vs M2 Competition tested at Hockenheim Thread.

They weighed the M2C and the M2CS

M2C weight: 1631kg or 3595.73lbs

M2CS weight: 1588kg or 3500.94lbs

M2CS was lighter by 43kg or 94.79lbs

Geez. I still can't believe M2C is almost 3600lb.
3600lbs, on a 2 series.

saving 100lbs is impressive, but not earth shattering.
If I had a M2C, I don't see the reason to want the CS.

Then again, when they connected the grills is when I stopped wanting a BMW

[SeanWRT]

Weight Saving wise:
Hood+roof+carbon console= a given 30+lbs
Wheel=15lbs
Suspension???

Add CCB, could be a total 100lbs savings.

There could be extra savings from having less electronics and insulation.

[RyanBMW]

Originally Posted by COChris

These have held more than "any value", regardless of hype:

1M
E46 M3 CSL
E36 M3 GT

Go ahead and add E30 M3, E39 M5, Z8, M1 .. who said they BMWs don't hold values?? Then why are you even here and talking about them ChiTownM?? Maybe you should move on to other brands and not to waste your money again.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Jockey

I mean, cool?

Grasping at straws if you want to compare modified to stock.

Let's not forgot the OG M2 shared a common motor from "lesser" cars.

i literally just said the OG M2 had the same problem and was replaced

[Throttleblip]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

The CF roofs have always been designed in that weave.

I don't think so, the roof weave on my M4cs is exactly the same in pattern of the other carbon parts (tiny weave)

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by ASAP

i literally just said the OG M2 had the same problem and was replaced

Check my edit.

Even the OG M2 was heralded as a return to old ways with its common motor. Problem not found.

[10"]

Originally Posted by Daaan

It anyway can have only 2200 buyers worldwide

This will be a collectors car at first, so not many of these 2200 will hit the streets regulary. And collector items are expensive

Eh. They only made 1200 M3 CS and those had very little demand and sat in dealers for ages. I don't expect this to fly out of the showrooms either.

This would have been a cool car for $70k. Can't really get behind $85k though...

[10"]

Originally Posted by ASAP

dude the 1M was $48k brand new for a base model... it was an absolute bargain and was limited... that car was sold out before it hit showrooms; it was the smallest M car effectively for almost 20 years... now i would venture to say 1/3 of them are wrecked... its a very unique scenario for value but certainly not because it was a good car... it never handled well, was super twitchy and many argues that it was a bolt on 135i... the fact that a base m235i later came and beat it anywhere proved that; now its value is left solely due to rarity

cars.com currently shows 17 for sale; how do u think that will affect value?

Huh? The M235 wasn't even a patch on the 1M in terms of enjoyment or performance. I've driven a few M235s and thought they were terrible. Sloppy, disconnected, and underwhelming. I owned a 135 before my 1M and the 1M is a far faaaaaar better car in every way. There's no comparison at all.

I've driven a bunch of M2s and an M2C; even offered several different ones for an even trade—-and I'd never ever do that trade even though I like the M2 and respect it a lot. The 1M is very special. The M2 is the direct descendant of the 1M—-but IMO, and I mean no offense by this, the M2 will always be in the shadow of the 1M.

Cars are about how they feel. Not statistics and data like everyone is convinced of now.

If I had to pick an M2—it would be the OG N55 M2. Sounds great—-drives well. Don't need much more.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by 10"

Huh? The M235 wasn't even a patch on the 1M in terms of enjoyment or performance. I've driven a few M235s and thought they were terrible. Sloppy, disconnected, and underwhelming.

BMW M235i is Faster On Track Than 1M Coupe (Our 2 Series Interview From Detroit) https://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=935130

It can't be that bad, I had a M240i loaner recently, I felt it held its own..

[Poochie]

Jezz.. Some of you guys will nitpick and find a reason to shit on any vehicle BMW products.

It's simple; if you don't want the CS, don't buy it.. It's not like it would even be an option for 99.9999999% of the folks complaining, anyways..

It's a flagship vehicle that was created to propel the profile of the F series M2 and by extension, the overall brand.

Just let it be and appreciate it for what it is..

[bdaddylo]

Originally Posted by ASAP

It also had a non M motor aka the N54 like the OG M2 which everyone whined about... it also had the same six speed... hype built the 1M sorry...

at least an M2C has a standalone motor that is only shared w M cars, a dct that is only shared w M cars... and thr car actually looks good. I had an FBO 135i w coils and drove a 1M back to back... the 135i was better wo questions.

I drove a FBO M2 with coilover and it drove 100x better than a M2C, so what's your point? In real world driving the M2C performs no better than a M2. The only category the M2C dominates is best fart can impersonation.

[Phil-on-Cars]

Originally Posted by ASAP

dude the 1M was $48k brand new for a base model... it was an absolute bargain and was limited... that car was sold out before it hit showrooms; it was the smallest M car effectively for almost 20 years... now i would venture to say 1/3 of them are wrecked... its a very unique scenario for value but certainly not because it was a good car... it never handled well, was super twitchy and many argues that it was a bolt on 135i... the fact that a base m235i later came and beat it anywhere proved that; now its value is left solely due to rarity

cars.com currently shows 17 for sale; how do u think that will affect value?

Have you driven one?

[PARTS@STBMW]

That rear spoiler!

[TonyL128]

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

Weight Saving wise:
Hood+roof+carbon console= a given 30+lbs
Wheel=15lbs
Suspension???

Add CCB, could be a total 100lbs savings.

There could be extra savings from having less electronics and insulation.

Did no one see the info sheet said EU unladen weight is 1650 kg, that's 3650 lbs! Where is the weight savings from all the CF? How could the M2CS be worth $20k+ over the M2C?

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by TonyL128

Did no one see the info sheet said EU unladen weight is 1650 kg, that's 3650 lbs! Where is the weight savings from all the CF? How could the M2CS be worth $20k+ over the M2C?

Can you please highlight where you found this. I see the weigh as "TBA"

[pz619]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Can you please highlight where you found this. I see the weigh as "TBA"

It’s the first post in the first black and white chart. It’s kind of hidden on there.

1625 kg for the manual and 1650 kg for the DCT. Was pretty surprised when I saw that.

[junx]

I want the wheels so bad...

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by TonyL128

Did no one see the info sheet said EU unladen weight is 1650 kg, that's 3650 lbs! Where is the weight savings from all the CF? How could the M2CS be worth $20k+ over the M2C?

About car weight in general: see this dedicated thread here ("US Curb and EU Kerb weights, an attempt at clarifying the differences").

What the papers said for F87 6MT and M-DCT:

BMW M2 (N55 engine) (official specs sheet 2016: see here):


BMW M2 Competition (S55 engine) (official specs sheet 2018: see here):


BMW M2 CS (S55 engine) (official specs sheet 2019: see here):

[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by pz619

I mean... one was a pre-production car. Who knows if it had everything in it. Other factors may contribute too, such as fluid levels etc.

Would say BMWs figure might be more trustworthy.

Yes, I deleted due to pre-production, but it had to be close to production to get the testing numbers.

Here is the thread I am referencing.
https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1654057