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What time does the F80 M3 comp put in?

I would expect it to be as quick as the M5....
M4 did 3:00.7 so I wouldn't expect the M3 to do much better
Is that a comp pack?
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Is that a comp pack?
No, this was 2014. You can read about it here.

I still think a M2C with Cup 2s is worth a couple of seconds. I bet it would be in the 2:56 category.
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If you ask me;

the Urus is absurdly fast lol... its almost ridiculous how fast it is for an SUV.

The big benz is also impressive as well as the Zl1 for the price.

The BMWs sucked here imho...
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If you ask me;

the Urus is absurdly fast lol... its almost ridiculous how fast it is for an SUV.

The big benz is also impressive as well as the Zl1 for the price.

The BMWs sucked here imho...
I don't know, I think the M5 did great. With the exception of the AMG GT63 the only cars that beat it were hard-core track tuned cars.

Give the M5 the same tire and an over-stiff suspension like the AMG and it wouldn't be too far off... within a second likely.

But no doubt impressive time for the AMG. And that lambo suv!
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Is that a comp pack?
No, this was 2014. You can read about it here.

I still think a M2C with Cup 2s is worth a couple of seconds. I bet it would be in the 2:56 category.
I found this...

So if the C63 S coupe is 2:57.1, I would expect the F80 M3/4 comp, to be faster - as it is in other track shake downs - see below..so much closer to the M5 and faster than the M2C, which is what common sense would suggest.

And of course yes, all would be quicker on cup 2's

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.evo...t-review%3famp
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2) "This M5 is not playful. Or nimble. Or light."

"The handling and grip of this 4628-pound machine [AMG GT63 S] foster total confidence."

The AMG GT63 S weighs 4628lbs. Obviously the M5 must weigh more, right? Nope. 4241lbs. Yet somehow C&D manages to call the M5 heavy in the first 9 words, while not just ignoring the extra 400lbs in the AMG, but practically treating it as if it somehow helped the performance. The upcoming M8 Gran Coupe will likely fall around 4600lbs, and I'm calling it now - you can expect to read "this car is heavy" near the top of all the reviews despite it likewise weighing less (or no more than) than the RS7 and GT63 S and whatever else might be in the class at the time. Because somehow current BMW weights are compared only to BMW's from 20 years ago and Porsches, and Mercedes weights are compared to... I don't even know who. Naval vessels? Apparently as long as the other brands weigh less than battleships, they're good.

The M5 might not be light, but 4241lbs makes it the lightest vehicle in its class. Put it on Sport Cup 2's and it would probably equal the AMG GT63 S times, and you'd have $66k in cash leftover for an actual track toy, or for an X5 to haul your family and track toy to and from the track.
They are attesting to how the car feels subjectively while being pushed on the track, not skid pad numbers. This speaks to the character of the M5 and AMG GT behind the wheel when being spanked.

You missed the entire point of those observations. It was never about their explicit measurements, rather implicit ones.
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M2C, 405hp, DCT = 2:59.7
M2, 365hp, 6 speed manual = 3:01.9
That's because the M2C is over weight and needs to go on a diet!!!!!!

Remember it's easy to add power....but, expensive to reduce weight.

M2C added power and extra weight
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I found this...

So if the C63 S coupe is 2:57.1, I would expect the F80 M3/4 comp, to be faster - as it is in other track shake downs - see below..so much closer to the M5 and faster than the M2C, which is what common sense would suggest.

And of course yes, all would be quicker on cup 2's

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.evo...t-review%3famp
C63 got a new 9-speed transmission and updated suspension starting with MY2019. In addition to all these, the C63S in this test has Cup 2 tires so it would be couple seconds slower with the PSS tires that M3/M4 comes with.
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I was wondering when the Lightening Lap would come out this year. Some surprising results from the SUVs, and looks like the AMG GT4D has taken the 4-Door record from the M5. And of course, the Giulia QF yet again can't successfully go one lap without some of its stereotypical Italian electrical issues, sad, although its SUV counterpart the Stelvio QF didn't seem to have any issues. :
In another thread I was told that those issues were resolved. Guess not.
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I found this...

So if the C63 S coupe is 2:57.1, I would expect the F80 M3/4 comp, to be faster - as it is in other track shake downs - see below..so much closer to the M5 and faster than the M2C, which is what common sense would suggest.

And of course yes, all would be quicker on cup 2's

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.evo...t-review%3famp
C63 got a new 9-speed transmission and updated suspension starting with MY2019. In addition to all these, the C63S in this test has Cup 2 tires so it would be couple seconds slower with the PSS tires that M3/M4 comes with.
This is the 7 speed, which came with PSS tyres I believe.
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Why M340i is being excluded from any type of comparisons by major publications? There is a level of consistency here.
THIS! It's like it's black listed. Not one instrumented test article.
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Why M340i is being excluded from any type of comparisons by major publications? There is a level of consistency here.
THIS! It's like it's black listed. Not one instrumented test article.
Even more complicated, is that there are two different power outputs - US and Europe...which would make comparisons harder.
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Even more complicated, is that there are two different power outputs - US and Europe...which would make comparisons harder.
Not that hard. Car and Driver is a US mag and they can run a US car around the lap. Then they can get off their asses and do a reasonable US comparison with S4, C43, and M340i. Maybe even throw the Stinger in there for good measure. No one has done this and the M340i is almost a year from the initial media test drives.
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Even more complicated, is that there are two different power outputs - US and Europe...which would make comparisons harder.
Not that hard. Car and Driver is a US mag and they can run a US car around the lap. Then they can get off their asses and do a reasonable US comparison to S4, C43, and M340i. Maybe even throw the Stinger in there for good measure.
But when someone eventually takes one around the Nordschleife, it will likely be a Euro version and all the guys in the US will cry "foul"!

But yes, I would be interested to see how it stacks up. Just need to understand which version.
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I was wondering when the Lightening Lap would come out this year. Some surprising results from the SUVs, and looks like the AMG GT4D has taken the 4-Door record from the M5. And of course, the Giulia QF yet again can't successfully go one lap without some of its stereotypical Italian electrical issues, sad, although its SUV counterpart the Stelvio QF didn't seem to have any issues. :
Well at our dealership we had a guy trade in his giulia quadrifoglio that he tracked.
Car had less than 10k miles if I remember correctly.
On it's 3rd engine.
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So many butthurt BMW owners in this thread lol. No similar attempt are made to normalise the results when BMW wins. Not a big deal, some you win, and then some you lose.
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My favorite part of the M2C text was about the brakes!

“The cast-iron brake rotors proved as faithful as carbon-ceramics.”

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VIR is all about power and traction. Nimbleness means very little. That's why a lot big chunky rockets see good lap times there.

4.1 miles in 3 mins. Seems like drag racing all the time...
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I was wondering when the Lightening Lap would come out this year. Some surprising results from the SUVs, and looks like the AMG GT4D has taken the 4-Door record from the M5. And of course, the Giulia QF yet again can't successfully go one lap without some of its stereotypical Italian electrical issues, sad, although its SUV counterpart the Stelvio QF didn't seem to have any issues. :
Well at our dealership we had a guy trade in his giulia quadrifoglio that he tracked.
Car had less than 10k miles if I remember correctly.
On it's 3rd engine.
If the year of the Quad is 2017 then I won't be too surprised. 2018 on the other hand, then I'll be surprised.
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VIR is all about power and traction. Nimbleness means very little. That's why a lot big chunky rockets see good lap times there.

4.1 miles in 3 mins. Seems like drag racing all the time...
In some way I would agree with you but to achieve good lap times at VIR you also have to carry a lot of speed out of the corners, which means the suspension setup is important as well. Well controlled weight transfer is a must.
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