[yoboi]

Hey guys, I recently ordered some Apex EC-7 for a wider R888R tire setup of 265/295 since with my tune the car is spinning the wheels every shift up to 4th. For users of this or similar staggered setups wider than factory, how did this change the driving dynamics during spirited driving and track use? If anyone has any impressions, I’d love to hear them. Thanks

[Thescout13]

Interested in this too. We did this to our F80 (but with PS4s) on the stock 19s and the handling/grip feels awesome. Hoping the same or close to the M2C can be done as well. The stock set up is nice, but even some marginal improvement at the limit would be worth it. Plus beefier tires makes for a much more comfortable ride for sure on some of the tougher pieces of road.

[aerokubectl]

Wider != more traction.

Also Toyos are a 3rd tire brand, best of luck and I hope you stay safe.

[Megator]

Originally Posted by spetsnazos

Wider != more traction.

Also Toyos are a 3rd tire brand, best of luck and I hope you stay safe.

Lol that is a bit uncharitable, i will say R888s suck in the rain and makenu think ur going to spin out and die.

As a track day tire they are fine but wear way too quickly for the price. PS4S for the street, Nankang AR-1 for yhe track is my opinion (cup 2 if you can swing it).

[yoboi]

Originally Posted by Megator

Lol that is a bit uncharitable, i will say R888s suck in the rain and makenu think ur going to spin out and die.

As a track day tire they are fine but wear way too quickly for the price. PS4S for the street, Nankang AR-1 for yhe track is my opinion (cup 2 if you can swing it).

I used Cup 2's on the stock wheels, and they got greasy after 5 or so laps. Hopefully the R888Rs would be better?

[///AVM]

I posted the following in the tires/wheels section, which seems to get relatively little viewing and, thus, without response. Perhaps the answers lie within this thread.

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2020 M2C. I like the vehicle stance on stock suspension, but feel the tires need a little more ‘poke.’ Not interested in spacers, and believe the best solution is simply wider tires.

(1) Is it possible to get the same tire make and model as M2C stock, except simply wider?

I am guesstimating that front 255 and rear 275 would be about right, maybe even 265 front and 285 rear?

(2) As suggested, I am sure there would be some degree of performance change/compromise with the larger tires, but I am not a ‘tracker,’ so most likely imperceptible to me.

What I do care about is whether the larger width tires would cause any fender rub? In such regard, what is the largest width one can get away with, front and rear, with no rub issues?

Thank you for the feedback in advance.

///AVM

[Megator]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

(1) Is it possible to get the same tire make and model as M2C stock, except simply wider?

I am guesstimating that front 255 and rear 275 would be about right, maybe even 265 front and 285 rear?

(2) As suggested, I am sure there would be some degree of performance change/compromise with the larger tires, but I am not a ‘tracker,’ so most likely imperceptible to me.

What I do care about is whether the larger width tires would cause any fender rub? In such regard, what is the largest width one can get away with, front and rear, with no rub issues?

Thank you for the feedback in advance.

///AVM

M3/M4 came with BMW spec PSS tires in 255/275 that fit M2/C. So yes you can have that fitment no issue. I run take off 513M wheels with bmw spec pss 255/275 18s and the handling difference is minimal (only tracked the 18s though).

Max tire size depends on suspension setup but 265/295 seems to be the limit on oem equipment. Also 285s seem to be rare.

Cup 2s seem to like a narrow temp operating window and lots of front camber.

[///AVM]

Megator

So, Michelin Pilot Super Sport 255F/275R are stock M3/4 width size, and no problem with fitment on M2C with stock suspension.

Very helpful and appreciated information.

Thank you

///AVM

[m20e3087]

IMO 265/30 and 295/30 are the way to go for our M2C. That's what I am planning once these wear out.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by m20e3087

IMO 265/30 and 295/30 are the way to go for our M2C. That's what I am planning once these wear out.

m20

Thank you for your feedback. Few quick questions.

(1) Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the stock M2C tires are Michelin PSS 245/35 and 265/35. I assume the sidewall aspect ratio changes from 35 (stock) to 30 with larger section widths because the sidewall height remains constant?

(2) Can you get the Michelin PSS in 265/30 and 295/30, or did you have to obtain a different tire model?

(3) With stock M2C suspension, have you encountered any reports of fender rub with the 265/30 and 295/30 tires?

(4) Do you have reference to any pics of M2C on stock suspension with 265/30 and 295/30 setup?

Thank you again

///AVM

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

m20

Thank you for your feedback. Few quick questions.

(1) Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the stock M2C tires are Michelin PSS 245/35 and 265/35. I assume the sidewall aspect ratio changes from 35 (stock) to 30 with larger section widths because the sidewall height remains constant?

(2) Can you get the Michelin PSS in 265/30 and 295/30, or did you have to obtain a different tire model?

(3) With stock M2C suspension, have you encountered any reports of fender rub with the 265/30 and 295/30 tires?

(4) Do you have reference to any pics of M2C on stock suspension with 265/30 and 295/30 setup?

Thank you again

///AVM

1 - Yes-ish

2 - Look on tire rack, really easy to search. But why not go with ps4s?

[AZ-Wildcat]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

1 - Yes-ish

2 - Look on tire rack, really easy to search. But why not go with ps4s?

265/295 will fit on the stock wheels?

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by AZ-Wildcat

265/295 will fit on the stock wheels?

He was asking about the sidewall height and width cross section compared to the OEMs with different numbers. But I believe so. If the stock 19s on the M2 have the same dimensions as the stock 19s on the M3 (I believe they do but I may be wrong), as someone who has 265 fronts and 295 rears on my wife's M3's stock 19s, yes.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

1 - Yes-ish

2 - Look on tire rack, really easy to search. But why not go with ps4s?

Thescout

Please forgive me, but I am not well-versed in the multitudes of tire options available.

Could you tell me the difference between the Michelin PSS and PS 4S? I suspect the reasoning behind your recommendation lies in said difference.

Thank you

///AVM

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Thescout

Please forgive me, but I am not well-versed in the multitudes of tire options available.

Could you tell me the difference between the Michelin PSS and PS 4S? I suspect the reasoning behind your recommendation lies in said difference.

Thank you

///AVM

Newer technology, better grip, better performance. Let me put it this way to you, what's better.m? An iPhone 5 or an iPhone X?


https://www.automobilemag.com/news/m...t-super-sport/


https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/01...-at-cornering/


https://artofgears.com/2017/02/09/mi...lot-sport-4-s/

[///AVM]

Thescout

Thank you for adding that second video . . . since I do not track my vehicles, I do not believe my knowledge of tires has evolved beyond the aesthetics of what I have always assumed were solid stock offerings.

The above stated, I believe the gentleman reviewing the PSS versus PS 4S was convincing in his conclusion that the PS 4S is a superior tire for the enthusiast who enjoys occasionally spirited road driving, as well as more prevalent daily drives (better ride, better traction and better wear).

I will be interested to confirm that the stock M2C wheels are compatible with the PS 4S 265/30 and 295/30 set up? I am under the impression that the 255/30 and 275/30 set up represents no problem.

As an aside, after watching the videos, I was forced to reflect upon various M2C reviews and comments therein regarding steering performance. Again, I do not track my vehicles, so what I feel is perfectly adequate steering on the roadway, may not be quite as 'adequate' on the track? Whatever the case, the gentleman's comments in the videos make me wonder if the tires are as important to steering (and handling) as the steering components themselves? In other words, I wonder if those less than impressed with the M2C steering might be responding to the stock tires more than the steering itself?

Thank you again

///AVM

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Thescout

Thank you for adding that second video . . . since I do not track my vehicles, I do not believe my knowledge of tires has evolved beyond the aesthetics of what I have always assumed were solid stock offerings.

The above stated, I believe the gentleman reviewing the PSS versus PS 4S was convincing in his conclusion that the PS 4S is a superior tire for the enthusiast who enjoys occasionally spirited road driving, as well as more prevalent daily drives (better ride, better traction and better wear).

I will be interested to confirm that the stock M2C wheels are compatible with the PS 4S 265/30 and 295/30 set up? I am under the impression that the 255/30 and 275/30 set up represents no problem.

As an aside, after watching the videos, I was forced to reflect upon various M2C reviews and comments therein regarding steering performance. Again, I do not track my vehicles, so what I feel is perfectly adequate steering on the roadway, may not be quite as 'adequate' on the track? Whatever the case, the gentleman's comments in the videos make me wonder if the tires are as important to steering (and handling) as the steering components themselves? In other words, I wonder if those less than impressed with the M2C steering might be responding to the stock tires more than the steering itself?

Thank you again

///AVM

Tires are probably the absolute most important modification that will improve handling/steering feel, followed by coil overs/camber plates.

I think if you are not a track rat and aren't going to be shooting for 600hp, 255 fronts and 275 rears are all you need on the stock rims, at least it would be for me.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

Tires are probably the absolute most important modification that will improve handling/steering feel, followed by coil overs/camber plates.

I think if you are not a track rat and aren't going to be shooting for 600hp, 255 fronts and 275 rears are all you need on the stock rims, at least it would be for me.

I hear you Thescout . . . the entire basis of my initially inquiring was an aesthetic desire to get a little more tire 'poke.' In the process, I have been enlightened regarding tire performance.

Thank you

///AVM

[ICantDrive4Sht]

Originally Posted by carphreak

Hey guys, I recently ordered some Apex EC-7 for a wider R888R tire setup of 265/295 since with my tune the car is spinning the wheels every shift up to 4th.

I don't understand your tune.
There are people with stage2 turbos and atleast 700hp and no issues with wheelspin. Can floor it in 2nd gear and the car moves forward
Would tune it somewhere else if it's spinning to 4th gear.

[brad65ford]

just put PS4S's on my c63 and love love them. Want to do similarly with the M2c but also want wider. Following along...

[PilotxERAU]

Originally Posted by ICantDrive4Sht

I don't understand your tune.
There are people with stage2 turbos and atleast 700hp and no issues with wheelspin. Can floor it in 2nd gear and the car moves forward
Would tune it somewhere else if it's spinning to 4th gear.

I was thinking the same. Where did you get your tune sir!!!?

[PilotxERAU]

Originally Posted by Megator

M3/M4 came with BMW spec PSS tires in 255/275 that fit M2/C. So yes you can have that fitment no issue. I run take off 513M wheels with bmw spec pss 255/275 18s and the handling difference is minimal (only tracked the 18s though).

Max tire size depends on suspension setup but 265/295 seems to be the limit on oem equipment. Also 285s seem to be rare.

Cup 2s seem to like a narrow temp operating window and lots of front camber.

275/30 up front is possible. Dinan does this with their M2C on Forgelines